The Law

[Diolectic]

An injustice can never be satisfied, in the sense that, the guilty can be punished until he ceased to be guilty, and became innocent.

For example: one breaks the law by speeding then pays the fine for the crime; that one does not cease from being guilty for paying the fine, but, paying the fine only satisfies the law.

Therefore, punishment for a crime against the law is not for the purpose of rehabilitation, but to satisfy the law.

The law is not founded in mere randomness, but in the Personhood of God or on the foundation of reality.

The difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law is that the letter relates to the outward action; the spirit relates to the motive or intention of the heart and from which the act should proceed.

The spirit of the law requires impartial goodwill or benevolence, and is all expressed in one word--love.

The letter of the law requires strict adherence to every precept, it is all expressed in one word--obey.

An example, the letter of the law says, do not commit murder! But the spirit of the law says anyone who is angry with his brother without cause shall be liable to Judgment. The spirit requires that certain conditions to be examined in their proper place.

The letter of the law is unyielding and sentences guilty all violators of its precepts, without regard to purpose. Just as the speed limit is 55 mph and one exceeds the limit, the law says, guilty. The spirit of the law sees the purpose of the excess speed for an emergency and says; keep speeding until purpose is met.

Furthermore, when speeding for the purpose of an emergency, the spirit of the law is not broken, but fulfilled

The purpose of the law is to teach one of the character of the Lawgiver also to guide and to guard us while directing us to mercy of the Lawgiver, Galatians 3:23-24

There is a lot to say on the account of our righteousness that is imputed to us.

For man to be legally pronounced just, is not impossible, however, there is but one ground of the justification of man, that is by obedience to the law.

I repeat, there can be no justification in a legal sense, but upon the ground of perfect, and uninterrupted obedience to law.

Jesus is the only Man that has accomplished this, He performed the law perfectly, therefore, while in His earthly ministry, He would have had a perfect conscience from sin according to Hebrews 9:9

It is true that what a man does through another he does himself, however, there is a theological theory that the law regards Christ

[Floatingaxe]

For someone who admittedly cannot spell, where are you getting these articles?

[roselady]

An injustice can never be satisfied, in the sense that, the guilty can be punished until he ceased to be guilty, and became innocent.

For example: one breaks the law by speeding then pays the fine for the crime; that one does not cease from being guilty for paying the fine, but, paying the fine only satisfies the law.

Therefore, punishment for a crime against the law is not for the purpose of rehabilitation, but to satisfy the law.

The law is not founded in mere randomness, but in the Personhood of God or on the foundation of reality.

The difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law is that the letter relates to the outward action; the spirit relates to the motive or intention of the heart and from which the act should proceed.

The spirit of the law requires impartial goodwill or benevolence, and is all expressed in one word--love.

The letter of the law requires strict adherence to every precept, it is all expressed in one word--obey.

An example, the letter of the law says, do not commit murder! But the spirit of the law says anyone who is angry with his brother without cause shall be liable to Judgment. The spirit requires that certain conditions to be examined in their proper place.

The letter of the law is unyielding and sentences guilty all violators of its precepts, without regard to purpose. Just as the speed limit is 55 mph and one exceeds the limit, the law says, guilty. The spirit of the law sees the purpose of the excess speed for an emergency and says; keep speeding until purpose is met.

Furthermore, when speeding for the purpose of an emergency, the spirit of the law is not broken, but fulfilled

The purpose of the law is to teach one of the character of the Lawgiver also to guide and to guard us while directing us to mercy of the Lawgiver, Galatians 3:23-24

There is a lot to say on the account of our righteousness that is imputed to us.

For man to be legally pronounced just, is not impossible, however, there is but one ground of the justification of man, that is by obedience to the law.

I repeat, there can be no justification in a legal sense, but upon the ground of perfect, and uninterrupted obedience to law.

Jesus is the only Man that has accomplished this, He performed the law perfectly, therefore, while in His earthly ministry, He would have had a perfect conscience from sin according to Hebrews 9:9

It is true that what a man does through another he does himself, however, there is a theological theory that the law regards Christ

[None]

This was a wonderful read, thank you so much for posting it!

[akilah]

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Edited May 2, 2007 by akilah

[None]

Erm Diolectic ... I am looking at this and thinking 'you didn't finish where you started' ... in other words, your conclusion doesn't satisfy the introduction ...

That love should equal obedience, I do not deny ... but which parents or children here will say that their experience has been perfect and without minor mishaps? I'll answer that for everyone, and say none.

The only child who ever perfectly obeyed his parent in thought and word and deed was the Lord ... His perfect obedience in love was an example to us, yes - to try and emulate, surely - but in His life, death and resurrection He perfected that love that we might take hold of it, who without Him are unworthy ...

In doing so, the Lord fulfilled totally the requirements of the Law, and when He was rejected the way was opened for anyone to come to God the Father through the Lord Jesus Christ ... a new dispensation which Paul refers to as 'my gospel' (Rom 2 v16) and makes the distinction that the promises of God under the Law don't compare with the riches found in Christ Jesus - and we are not now children of the bondservant, but of the free ... (see Romans 1-11, Galatians)

But then you focused on the Law totally in your opening remarks - mixing between the Law of the OT and men's laws ... I am not sure what your point in doing that was.

roselady ... while I do not doubt that you are not thinking of stealing a car, forgiveness comes only after true repentance ... and it is hard to be truly repentant after wilfully committing sin - and in fact, if you check the OT, there were no offerings for wilful sin (rebellion) ... only sins committed in ignorance, incompetence, falling short, being human, etc. ... OT rebellion was punished swiftly ...

To bring the consideration up to the NT, consider

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, And have tasted the good word of God, and the power of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to an open shame. ~ Hebrews 6 v4-6 (and compare Romans 1 v32 and surrounding verses)

We are human, we err occasionally ... but to deliberately mock God by going out and committing that which we know to be sin, then turning round and expecting forgiveness? God indeed would be the only one to try the heart of the individual fairly there - I am afraid my natural sense of justice would be angry for the Lord at the person taking such liberties ...

There's a nice cheerful note to end on >.>

So, let me get this right, what you are saying is Jesus was lying when He said, "forgive 7 times 70"?

[akilah]

Please don't put blasphemous words in my mouth. I never said that the Lord was lying, neither shall I ever do so. There are other ways to discuss His Word, having understanding for the limitations of the written word, absent from the understanding that comes from seeing or hearing the speaker. I do not mind questions on subjects which I have expressed badly and need clarification, but I react poorly to accusations which are unfair.

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Edited May 2, 2007 by akilah

[Scarletprayers]

I read all of this and the only thing that popped into my mind was Peter denying Jesus, he even cursed to prove his point. That wasn't just a slip or and accident, it was intentional. Jesus still forgave him.

[None]

I read all of this and the only thing that popped into my mind was Peter denying Jesus, he even cursed to prove his point. That wasn't just a slip or and accident, it was intentional. Jesus still forgave him.

Exactly! And he had Jesus Himself teaching Him things in person!

It's we humans who are so greedy with our own forgiveness, not God.

Akilah,

Paul also wrote that we need to constantly renew ourselves, why? because it's easy to become mislead.

We are all human. Paul found this out also. All of the apostles did. Just because you've been given a blast of the Holy Spirit's power, doesn't mean that without daily renewal of your relationship with God you won't begin to slip. It's called "backsliding" and who are we to judge one sin from another?

[buckthesystem]

As Roselady said "there is a difference (in my opinion a HUGE difference) between man's law and God's law. We must never get the two confused.

Man's law is 50% retribution and "it the law because we say so" and there is very little logic to 50% of man's "law". And man's law mostly does not take God or forgiveness into account at all, but a lot of it is based on greed.

However God's law is just, logical and "just is" without "legislation being passed".