Purgatory...defend this false doctrine!

[Floatingaxe]

And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.

Do you not realize that the Master had come? That it is Judgment Day?

[Eliyahuw]

And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.

Do you not realize that the Master had come? That it is Judgment Day?

yes i do realize that whats the point? you think there won't be ministers that do this sort of thing before christ comes?

It is not the GWT judgement, the second coming there isn't any judgement yet. there will be 1000 years before judgement day.

So these ministers/stewards/ will be punished for their treachery, ignorance.

You have to remember once the 7th seal is opened, there will be no christians on earth. they will have been called into the sky to be with christ. There will however be churches with ministers. and these ministers will know that christ has come, and will know that the time is come for the beast to arrive. They will gain favor with the anti-christ

[Floatingaxe]

Let me ask you Saints. Has anyone prayed concerning thier speaking in this thread? I hear so many ideas and assumptions. Why dont we just admit that "we dont know" or "are not complete in our understanding". If God has not opened up certian things unto us the best thing to do is be quiet. And if He has then the best thing to do is to ask Him if the time is proper to reveal it. And when it is revealed it will be simple, Scripture will testify of it, and you wont have to jumble up scriptures to make the point.

Too much trust in our so-called knowledge in the Word puffs us up. This thread has so much death in it. I have not heard Life being shared. Our common ground is Christ; let's stand on His ground and view the land from our position in Him. I love you all but I pray that you see that not only is this not going anywhere but who is being edified. Let that be the question. Lord Jesus is this edifying, is this building up Your Body. Frankly all this is doing is displaying our lack, which often can be wonderful if we will embrace it. Speak Life that we all may be edified; if it is not Life then it is of that other tree which equals death.

"Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you."

We have the ability to know Truth. We are not in the dark.

[Floatingaxe]

And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.

Do you not realize that the Master had come? That it is Judgment Day?

yes i do realize that whats the point? you think there won't be ministers that do this sort of thing before christ comes?

It is not the GWT judgement, the second coming there isn't any judgement yet. there will be 1000 years before judgement day.

So these ministers/stewards/ will be punished for their treachery, ignorance.

You have to remember once the 7th seal is opened, there will be no christians on earth. they will have been called into the sky to be with christ. There will however be churches with ministers. and these ministers will know that christ has come, and will know that the time is come for the beast to arrive. They will gain favor with the anti-christ

I do agree that the parable is about the stewards over the flock, but it refers to the Judgment that occurs before Christ, for believers, where we are held accountable for the gifts we have been given.

[matthew4:4]

And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.

Do you not realize that the Master had come? That it is Judgment Day?

yes i do realize that whats the point? you think there won't be ministers that do this sort of thing before christ comes?

It is not the GWT judgement, the second coming there isn't any judgement yet. there will be 1000 years before judgement day.

So these ministers/stewards/ will be punished for their treachery, ignorance.

You have to remember once the 7th seal is opened, there will be no christians on earth. they will have been called into the sky to be with christ. There will however be churches with ministers. and these ministers will know that christ has come, and will know that the time is come for the beast to arrive. They will gain favor with the anti-christ

I do agree that the parable is about the stewards over the flock, but it refers to the Judgment that occurs before Christ, for believers, where we are held accountable for the gifts we have been given.

What in the world are you talking about? Please explain and show me a verse where it says anything about those being held accountable for the gifts we are given. We are held accountable and judged for our sins. Nothing more!! And we are not being judged yet. Read revelations. But seriously back up what you said for me. Thanks, matthew

[Floatingaxe]

And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.

Do you not realize that the Master had come? That it is Judgment Day?

yes i do realize that whats the point? you think there won't be ministers that do this sort of thing before christ comes?

It is not the GWT judgement, the second coming there isn't any judgement yet. there will be 1000 years before judgement day.

So these ministers/stewards/ will be punished for their treachery, ignorance.

You have to remember once the 7th seal is opened, there will be no christians on earth. they will have been called into the sky to be with christ. There will however be churches with ministers. and these ministers will know that christ has come, and will know that the time is come for the beast to arrive. They will gain favor with the anti-christ

I do agree that the parable is about the stewards over the flock, but it refers to the Judgment that occurs before Christ, for believers, where we are held accountable for the gifts we have been given.

What in the world are you talking about? Please explain and show me a verse where it says anything about those being held accountable for the gifts we are given. We are held accountable and judged for our sins. Nothing more!! And we are not being judged yet. Read revelations. But seriously back up what you said for me. Thanks, matthew

What do you get from this message: When someone has been given much, much will be required in return; and when someone has been entrusted with much, even more will be required. ?

If we squander and deny the use of the gifts and callings, we will be held accountable for our disobedience. It's all sin.

[Eliyahuw]

And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.

Do you not realize that the Master had come? That it is Judgment Day?

yes i do realize that whats the point? you think there won't be ministers that do this sort of thing before christ comes?

It is not the GWT judgement, the second coming there isn't any judgement yet. there will be 1000 years before judgement day.

So these ministers/stewards/ will be punished for their treachery, ignorance.

You have to remember once the 7th seal is opened, there will be no christians on earth. they will have been called into the sky to be with christ. There will however be churches with ministers. and these ministers will know that christ has come, and will know that the time is come for the beast to arrive. They will gain favor with the anti-christ

I do agree that the parable is about the stewards over the flock, but it refers to the Judgment that occurs before Christ, for believers, where we are held accountable for the gifts we have been given.

What in the world are you talking about? Please explain and show me a verse where it says anything about those being held accountable for the gifts we are given. We are held accountable and judged for our sins. Nothing more!! And we are not being judged yet. Read revelations. But seriously back up what you said for me. Thanks, matthew

What do you get from this message: When someone has been given much, much will be required in return; and when someone has been entrusted with much, even more will be required. ?

If we squander and deny the use of the gifts and callings, we will be held accountable for our disobedience. It's all sin.

Come on isn't a minister given much responsibility?? isn't the "Talents" valuable to the master? WHAT Is christs most valuable posssessions? the christians i would say. so to place the spiritual wellbeing into the hands of ministers, and teachers then MUCH is required of them. IF the flock does not grow, or they are spiritually abused, then that minister will be held accountable as much is expected of him.

these passages clearly speak about pastors that do not take care of the body of christ.

[Floatingaxe]

And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.

Do you not realize that the Master had come? That it is Judgment Day?

yes i do realize that whats the point? you think there won't be ministers that do this sort of thing before christ comes?

It is not the GWT judgement, the second coming there isn't any judgement yet. there will be 1000 years before judgement day.

So these ministers/stewards/ will be punished for their treachery, ignorance.

You have to remember once the 7th seal is opened, there will be no christians on earth. they will have been called into the sky to be with christ. There will however be churches with ministers. and these ministers will know that christ has come, and will know that the time is come for the beast to arrive. They will gain favor with the anti-christ

I do agree that the parable is about the stewards over the flock, but it refers to the Judgment that occurs before Christ, for believers, where we are held accountable for the gifts we have been given.

What in the world are you talking about? Please explain and show me a verse where it says anything about those being held accountable for the gifts we are given. We are held accountable and judged for our sins. Nothing more!! And we are not being judged yet. Read revelations. But seriously back up what you said for me. Thanks, matthew

What do you get from this message: When someone has been given much, much will be required in return; and when someone has been entrusted with much, even more will be required. ?

If we squander and deny the use of the gifts and callings, we will be held accountable for our disobedience. It's all sin.

Come on isn't a minister given much responsibility?? isn't the "Talents" valuable to the master? WHAT Is christs most valuable posssessions? the christians i would say. so to place the spiritual wellbeing into the hands of ministers, and teachers then MUCH is required of them. IF the flock does not grow, or they are spiritually abused, then that minister will be held accountable as much is expected of him.

these passages clearly speak about pastors that do not take care of the body of christ.

Didn't you just read what I said earlier?

[matthew4:4]

And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.

Do you not realize that the Master had come? That it is Judgment Day?

yes i do realize that whats the point? you think there won't be ministers that do this sort of thing before christ comes?

It is not the GWT judgement, the second coming there isn't any judgement yet. there will be 1000 years before judgement day.

So these ministers/stewards/ will be punished for their treachery, ignorance.

You have to remember once the 7th seal is opened, there will be no christians on earth. they will have been called into the sky to be with christ. There will however be churches with ministers. and these ministers will know that christ has come, and will know that the time is come for the beast to arrive. They will gain favor with the anti-christ

I do agree that the parable is about the stewards over the flock, but it refers to the Judgment that occurs before Christ, for believers, where we are held accountable for the gifts we have been given.

What in the world are you talking about? Please explain and show me a verse where it says anything about those being held accountable for the gifts we are given. We are held accountable and judged for our sins. Nothing more!! And we are not being judged yet. Read revelations. But seriously back up what you said for me. Thanks, matthew

What do you get from this message: When someone has been given much, much will be required in return; and when someone has been entrusted with much, even more will be required. ?

If we squander and deny the use of the gifts and callings, we will be held accountable for our disobedience. It's all sin.

Come on isn't a minister given much responsibility?? isn't the "Talents" valuable to the master? WHAT Is christs most valuable posssessions? the christians i would say. so to place the spiritual wellbeing into the hands of ministers, and teachers then MUCH is required of them. IF the flock does not grow, or they are spiritually abused, then that minister will be held accountable as much is expected of him.

these passages clearly speak about pastors that do not take care of the body of christ.

Didn't you just read what I said earlier?

Flo, you're really applying your own meaning to what you qouted. To say that that is talking about the gifts is stretching it dramatically. It does sound like it would be a lot more likely applied to pastors. Dont take it for what you want it. Even so, if what you are saying is true, I dont have the gifts so I'm not at fault. But what verse is that exactly so I can look it up. Thanks, matthew

[Floatingaxe]

And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.

Do you not realize that the Master had come? That it is Judgment Day?

yes i do realize that whats the point? you think there won't be ministers that do this sort of thing before christ comes?

It is not the GWT judgement, the second coming there isn't any judgement yet. there will be 1000 years before judgement day.

So these ministers/stewards/ will be punished for their treachery, ignorance.

You have to remember once the 7th seal is opened, there will be no christians on earth. they will have been called into the sky to be with christ. There will however be churches with ministers. and these ministers will know that christ has come, and will know that the time is come for the beast to arrive. They will gain favor with the anti-christ

I do agree that the parable is about the stewards over the flock, but it refers to the Judgment that occurs before Christ, for believers, where we are held accountable for the gifts we have been given.

What in the world are you talking about? Please explain and show me a verse where it says anything about those being held accountable for the gifts we are given. We are held accountable and judged for our sins. Nothing more!! And we are not being judged yet. Read revelations. But seriously back up what you said for me. Thanks, matthew

What do you get from this message: When someone has been given much, much will be required in return; and when someone has been entrusted with much, even more will be required. ?

If we squander and deny the use of the gifts and callings, we will be held accountable for our disobedience. It's all sin.

Come on isn't a minister given much responsibility?? isn't the "Talents" valuable to the master? WHAT Is christs most valuable posssessions? the christians i would say. so to place the spiritual wellbeing into the hands of ministers, and teachers then MUCH is required of them. IF the flock does not grow, or they are spiritually abused, then that minister will be held accountable as much is expected of him.

these passages clearly speak about pastors that do not take care of the body of christ.

Didn't you just read what I said earlier?

Flo, you're really applying your own meaning to what you qouted. To say that that is talking about the gifts is stretching it dramatically. It does sound like it would be a lot more likely applied to pastors. Dont take it for what you want it. Even so, if what you are saying is true, I dont have the gifts so I'm not at fault. But what verse is that exactly so I can look it up. Thanks, matthew

I guess you didn't read, then. I agreed with you earlier that it was shepherds of the flock that the passage was referring to. They are held responsible for the condition of the flock they are in charge of.