Purgatory...defend this false doctrine!

[Guest Biblicist]

I looked up purgatory here <-------

I found it interesting that some of the synonyms for purgatory are. . . grief, suffering, affliction, hell, netherworld, torture, Hades, a fate worse than death. . . etc. There is no place in the Bible that says someone can go to Hell/Hades and return or go to Heaven. Once you are there, it's pretty much a done deal.

[Smalcald]

Now guys, I need to point something out here.

Although, I am not convinced of purgatory, Caritate has done a good job in quoting scripture in defense of this doctrine. I think that we should also quote scripture in showing our stance, rather than just saying the whole thing is bunk because we said it was so and our church teaches it is bunk. We can't have it both ways. The OP wanted a scriptural defense of purgatory and Caritate has given one.

[exrockstar]

nevermind ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Edited April 27, 2007 by exrockstar

[Guest Biblicist]

I missed the verse in support of purgetory. Could you please post it again, Caritate? Much appreicated.

[apothanein kerdos]

I've been through Purgatory. It's called MEPS.

[Floatingaxe]

Now guys, I need to point something out here.

Although, I am not convinced of purgatory, Caritate has done a good job in quoting scripture in defense of this doctrine. I think that we should also quote scripture in showing our stance, rather than just saying the whole thing is bunk because we said it was so and our church teaches it is bunk. We can't have it both ways. The OP wanted a scriptural defense of purgatory and Caritate has given one.

There IS NO Scriptural defense for such a lying doctrine.

[gypc]

Now guys, I need to point something out here.

Although, I am not convinced of purgatory, Caritate has done a good job in quoting scripture in defense of this doctrine. I think that we should also quote scripture in showing our stance, rather than just saying the whole thing is bunk because we said it was so and our church teaches it is bunk. We can't have it both ways. The OP wanted a scriptural defense of purgatory and Caritate has given one.

There IS NO Scriptural defense for such a lying doctrine.

This is true because there are so many scriptures that would contradict this doctrine.

[Will Hill]

Only the blood of Jesus can save. Even if you could give the total amount of money in the entire world it would not be enough to pay for your soul.

[CaritateDei]

Only the blood of Jesus can save. Even if you could give the total amount of money in the entire world it would not be enough to pay for your soul.

Nobody is talking about paying your way to heaven here.

Salvation is achieved for those who work on it. Salvation is possible for all.

[CaritateDei]

For me on purgatory there are two main scriptural issues or problems.

1.) It would see to imply that even if our sins are forgiven by Christ that in itself is not good enough.

2.) What was Paul talking about when he spoke of us getting new glorified bodies? Do these bodies then go to purgatory or is purgatory where we would receive them? It just to me seems to cause some deep logical problems for the doctrine of purgatory.

There are no scriptural problems here, Smalcald.

1.) Christ redeemed us, placing our sins on his back, self sacrificing his body so that we might be redeemed...so that we might have the possibility of heaven. That being said, it is still easy for us all to fall...fall from Christ again and again, because we sin so much. Purgatory just cleanses our imperfection. It is not about forgiveness, but more about cleansing.

2.) There is no logical problem here. In order that the body may be glorified, it must be cleansed. There is complete logic. C.S. Lewis. Samuel Johnson.

Citing someone who holds the position does not guarantee there are not logical problems with the argument

By all means, give me something more logical then what these two VERY logical men have stated...and that I have logically shown, as Smalcald seems to understand, though still not convinced...