Purgatory...defend this false doctrine!

[CaritateDei]

The new Jerusalem is symbolic of heaven after Christ has come and opened the Gates.

I think you have made your ways.

if you ever want additional scripture of the New Jerusalem I have plenty of it. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

I have a copy of the Bible too, pal.

The New Jerusalem, with no need of temple, with God sitting at the throne, as the Bride of Christ...it is the new heaven. It's source is heaven. At the end, the new Jerusalem will be IT. There will be no need for heaven because the New Jerusalem will unite or disunite all souls. It will be the only thing in the end, and we all must be clean.

Comparing the New Jerusalem to Heaven is not a bad thing here. Still, it WILL BE outside of space and time.

[Eliyahuw]

CaritateDei,

just off curiosity before you get bombarded.

if people placed some scripture clarifying some of those verses that you have; are you

willing to break out of that purgotory belief or is it embedded so deep in you that you will not budge? ... 3xR0c|<stAr

I am very open to hearing responses and clarification.

well, I can start by asking you this:

Revelation 21:27 - Nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]

1. where do you believe this is located? ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Heaven is outside of space and time, pal.

Scripture please

[CaritateDei]

Wow! How far off the mark.

So the blood of Jesus is incapable of cleansing us from all sin? Believing that lie will get you into a lot of trouble one Day.

Here is the problem. You do not respond to a single point I made. You just say, "You're wrong, I'm right."

I have quoted the Bible. The Bible is quite clear that no one is assured of salvation. What is so harmful about purgatory?

It doesn't matter about your single points. what matters is all of what your saying says the blood of christ is not enough. that in itself is enough to show your off the mark. WAY off the mark.

Christs blood atoned for all sin. So no one has to pay any price for sin unless they die unsaved.

Ok...where do you get that from? The Bible is VERY clear that no one is assured. We will still be judged according to our deeds. I can sit there and believe in Christ Jesus, shouting, "Lord, Lord!" But that does not assure me of salvation.

By the way, Jesus said that.

Wow, your not assured of your salvation? I know without a shadow of doubt, I am secure in his salvation. God promised me. Are you saying that God breaks his promises???

john 3:16, ephesians 2:8&9

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Rom 5:11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

These are sealed promises of God. Sealed in Christs blood.

In accordance with the Book of Hebrews...I'm guessing you never sin either?

[Eliyahuw]

Hebrews 10:26-27

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

If one continues to sin after coming to Jesus, then of course, they have to face harsh judgment. Not purgatory. There is no other additional cleansing but the blood of Jesus, the Lamb of God.

yep thats right. pretty much some of us are going to be in mansions, some like me probably going to be streetsweepers.

[Eliyahuw]

Hebrews 10:26-27

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

If one continues to sin after coming to Jesus, then of course, they have to face harsh judgment. Not purgatory. There is no other additional cleansing but the blood of Jesus, the Lamb of God.

So you're without sin?

Actually yes Christians are. its been covered.

[CaritateDei]

CaritateDei,

just off curiosity before you get bombarded.

if people placed some scripture clarifying some of those verses that you have; are you

willing to break out of that purgotory belief or is it embedded so deep in you that you will not budge? ... 3xR0c|<stAr

I am very open to hearing responses and clarification.

well, I can start by asking you this:

Revelation 21:27 - Nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]

1. where do you believe this is located? ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Heaven is outside of space and time, pal.

Scripture please

Ok, so now you believe that I can walk in and out of heaven? No one has found heaven. God is spiritual. We cannot see God. We believe in God and Heaven, but cannot see him. Outside of Space and time. Good grief! AK is right, Atheists are so much easier to reason with!

[exrockstar]

The new Jerusalem is symbolic of heaven after Christ has come and opened the Gates.

I think you have made your ways.

if you ever want additional scripture of the New Jerusalem I have plenty of it. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

I have a copy of the Bible too, pal.

The New Jerusalem, with no need of temple, with God sitting at the throne, as the Bride of Christ...it is the new heaven. It's source is heaven. At the end, the new Jerusalem will be IT. There will be no need for heaven because the New Jerusalem will unite or disunite all souls. It will be the only thing in the end, and we all must be clean.

Comparing the New Jerusalem to Heaven is not a bad thing here. Still, it WILL BE outside of space and time.

i just have to throw a boomerang of a question.

Do you at least believe in the 1000 year reign where Satan will be bound? ... 3xR0c|<stAr

[CaritateDei]

Hebrews 10:26-27

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

If one continues to sin after coming to Jesus, then of course, they have to face harsh judgment. Not purgatory. There is no other additional cleansing but the blood of Jesus, the Lamb of God.

So you're without sin?

Actually yes Christians are. its been covered.

Really??

So all I got to do is declare that Jesus Christ is my savior, and I will NEVER SIN AGAIN?!

Really? You never do anything wrong, Eliyahuw?? You never sin?

[Eliyahuw]

Wow! How far off the mark.

So the blood of Jesus is incapable of cleansing us from all sin? Believing that lie will get you into a lot of trouble one Day.

Here is the problem. You do not respond to a single point I made. You just say, "You're wrong, I'm right."

I have quoted the Bible. The Bible is quite clear that no one is assured of salvation. What is so harmful about purgatory?

It doesn't matter about your single points. what matters is all of what your saying says the blood of christ is not enough. that in itself is enough to show your off the mark. WAY off the mark.

Christs blood atoned for all sin. So no one has to pay any price for sin unless they die unsaved.

Ok...where do you get that from? The Bible is VERY clear that no one is assured. We will still be judged according to our deeds. I can sit there and believe in Christ Jesus, shouting, "Lord, Lord!" But that does not assure me of salvation.

By the way, Jesus said that.

Wow, your not assured of your salvation? I know without a shadow of doubt, I am secure in his salvation. God promised me. Are you saying that God breaks his promises???

john 3:16, ephesians 2:8&9

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Rom 5:11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

These are sealed promises of God. Sealed in Christs blood.

In accordance with the Book of Hebrews...I'm guessing you never sin either?

It doesn't matter. It has been covered in the blood. hebrews was written to the christian jews that were trying to go back under the law. It does not negate Christs atonement for our sins. It does not advocate that one can lose their salvation. Thats a false doctrine.

[CaritateDei]

Wow! How far off the mark.

So the blood of Jesus is incapable of cleansing us from all sin? Believing that lie will get you into a lot of trouble one Day.

Here is the problem. You do not respond to a single point I made. You just say, "You're wrong, I'm right."

I have quoted the Bible. The Bible is quite clear that no one is assured of salvation. What is so harmful about purgatory?

It doesn't matter about your single points. what matters is all of what your saying says the blood of christ is not enough. that in itself is enough to show your off the mark. WAY off the mark.

Christs blood atoned for all sin. So no one has to pay any price for sin unless they die unsaved.

Ok...where do you get that from? The Bible is VERY clear that no one is assured. We will still be judged according to our deeds. I can sit there and believe in Christ Jesus, shouting, "Lord, Lord!" But that does not assure me of salvation.

By the way, Jesus said that.

Wow, your not assured of your salvation? I know without a shadow of doubt, I am secure in his salvation. God promised me. Are you saying that God breaks his promises???

john 3:16, ephesians 2:8&9

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Rom 5:11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

These are sealed promises of God. Sealed in Christs blood.

In accordance with the Book of Hebrews...I'm guessing you never sin either?

It doesn't matter. It has been covered in the blood. hebrews was written to the christian jews that were trying to go back under the law. It does not negate Christs atonement for our sins. It does not advocate that one can lose their salvation. Thats a false doctrine.

But it says you're going to hell if you sin. Based on yours and FA's conclusions, all people who sin, knowing of God or not, go to hell.

You must be without sin, then, if you are assured of salvation. To say it doesn't matter contradicts yourself.