Somthing Wrong With Luke?

[Godsloft]

I have Gone over this Scripture thousands of times weighing it against the rest of the Bible. Before you jump to any conclusions hear me out and if I have missed something then Help me out. Here is the scripture.

Luke 23

43 And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise."

Here is the problem.

The Lord Jesus Christ died and the thief died.

The Lord came back to life on the third day. The Thief did not. Three regular days have past.

The Lord did not die and go to heaven.

The Lord came back to Life before He ascended up into heaven alone.

If the Lord was referring to a day to the Lord being a thousand years then two thousand have already past and the saints still sleep in the dust awaiting the resurrection from the dead at Christ's return.

The Lord Jesus Christ was without sin and did not lie or tell tales.

The Gospels of Matthew and Mark both say that the two thieves reviled Him.

The only reasonable solution to this problem is that Luke's account is not true and the Lord did not say it which also would mean that the incident never happened.

John 20

17 Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.' "

[Godsloft]

Matthew 27

44 Even the robbers who were crucified with Him reviled Him with the same thing.

Mark 15

32 Let the Christ, the King of Israel, descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe." Even those who were crucified with Him reviled Him.

[ayin jade]

I will probably stumble over this. Hopefully those who can post with better words will add to this.

The robbers reviled Him yes, but then one repented. I dont see a contradiction in that.

Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise. It is believed that when Jesus died, He went to a part known as Paradise. That the soul exists separately from the body; for, while the thief and the Savior would be in Paradise, their

[Guest Biblicist]

The way I see it. Time means nothing in Heaven. If you can imagine that. When Jesus said today, for the thief it was today when Jesus finally arrived. There is no day or night in Heaven. No matter how long Jesus resided here on earth, when he ascended into Heaven it was as if he arrived at the same time as the thief.

It's a wonderful proof to us that Christ already fully understood the details of Heaven and the peramiters here on earth. How could he know that, unless he had been there in the beginning when God/Jesus/Holy Spirit created it all?

My father has been in Glory for going on 8 years. When I go, no matter when it is, to him it will seem as if no time has passed at all. Of course, he's certainly not sitting up there waiting for me either.

[Godsloft]

I will probably stumble over this. Hopefully those who can post with better words will add to this.

The robbers reviled Him yes, but then one repented. I dont see a contradiction in that.

Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise. It is believed that when Jesus died, He went to a part known as Paradise. That the soul exists separately from the body; for, while the thief and the Savior would be in Paradise, their

[Guest Biblicist]

The heaven that Christ ascended to, the heaven that he speaks of is the very same Heaven that was created at the beginning and will remain until the new heavens and new earth.

The saints are not in the grave waiting resurrection from death to life. Their bodies, or what remain of them, may be in the ground but their soul lives on in Glory with the Father.

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Philippians 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.23 I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far;

I think I see what you are saying though. Resurrection of the dead. . . Our souls are dead in our trespasses and sins, when Christ redeems us they are "resurrected" to life and remain forever with the Lord.

There will also be a physical resurrection, when our bodies are raised from the grave [or wherever they are] and reunited with our eternal souls.

My friend, you can not say that The Lord didn't make mistakes then claim that Luke's depiction in incorrect. Either the Bible is without error or it is not. What was said in Luke's account is correct. It's just not easy for us as humans to understand. It is possible though if you take into account that Christ is eternal and Heaven is completely different than earth.

[Godsloft]

The heaven that Christ ascended to, the heaven that he speaks of is the very same Heaven that was created at the beginning and will remain until the new heavens and new earth.

The saints are not in the grave waiting resurrection from death to life. Their bodies, or what remain of them, may be in the ground but their soul lives on in Glory with the Father.

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Philippians 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.23 I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far;

I think I see what you are saying though. Resurrection of the dead. . . Our souls are dead in our trespasses and sins, when Christ redeems us they are "resurrected" to life and remain forever with the Lord.

There will also be a physical resurrection, when our bodies are raised from the grave [or wherever they are] and reunited with our eternal souls.

My friend, you can not say that The Lord didn't make mistakes then claim that Luke's depiction in incorrect. Either the Bible is without error or it is not. What was said in Luke's account is correct. It's just not easy for us as humans to understand. It is possible though if you take into account that Christ is eternal and Heaven is completely different than earth.

I know that the Lord didn't make any mistakes because He is God.

Luke is not the Lord. Luke is a man that wrote his account of things to someone named Theophilus. The writings of the bible were assembled by men.

There are plenty of errors in the bible especially in the books of history. The book of Luke is the only book with mistakes saying that the Lord said.

I can see by your reply that you don't know about the resurrection of the dead and that you don't know what a soul is.

The Soul

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Resurrection from the dead.

1 Corinthians 15

12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.

14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.

15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up--if in fact the dead do not rise.

16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.

17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!

18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.

1 Thessalonians 4

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

2 Timothy 2

15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.

17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort,

[Guest Biblicist]

If you believe the Bible has errors then why bother reading it at all? One error, makes the entire book unreliable. Either it is all truth or everything comes into question. How do you discern the error from the Truth? If you find that someone has lied to you, you begin to question everything that person ever told you. The spokesmen of God were human, but inspiration kept them from error.

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Psalm 119:160 All your words are true;

all your righteous laws are eternal.

John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

One can not equate Adam's soul with the soul of man today. Adam was created perfect without sin. We, however, are born into sin. Completely different worlds.

Since you do not believe the Bible to be inerrant, I will refrain from quoting any other scripture verses to show you the Truth. How is it possible to rightly divide the word of truth when you don't believe some of it to be truth? I do find it fascinating that you believe Luke's words to be in error, as if you were there to hear what was said by the Lord on the cross.

[Leonard]

God's Loft: You are perhaps confusing 'Paradise' with 'Heaven.' Perhaps the 'Paradise' Jesus referred to was a different place, or state of being than is 'Heaven.' Heaven is certain paradaisical! but it may not be the only 'paradise.'

In fact many Christians (not me, but most) have interepreted the Scriptures to say that prior to Jesus Resurrection, the righteous dead did not immediately go to heaven, but to a sort of 'pleasant resort spot' of the underworld, called Paradise. There they were essentially 'captive' until Christ also descended to the underworld, breaking the bonds of death, and 'leading captivity captive.'

It is this 'paradise' region that Jesus describes in the story of Lazarus and the rich man.

For many Christians this doctrine answers the questions you have raised. Even if you do not accept this doctrinal tack, you can see the logic in it, and that it gives a Scripturally sound answer.

[Leonard]

God's Loft: You are perhaps confusing 'Paradise' with 'Heaven.' Perhaps the 'Paradise' Jesus referred to was a different place, or state of being than is 'Heaven.' Heaven is certain paradaisical! but it may not be the only 'paradise.'

In fact many Christians (not me, but most) have interepreted the Scriptures to say that prior to Jesus Resurrection, the righteous dead did not immediately go to heaven, but to a sort of 'pleasant resort spot' of the underworld, called Paradise. There they were essentially 'captive' until Christ also descended to the underworld, breaking the bonds of death, and 'leading captivity captive.'

It is this 'paradise' region that Jesus describes in the story of Lazarus and the rich man.

For many Christians this doctrine answers the questions you have raised. Even if you do not accept this doctrinal tack, you can see the logic in it, and that it gives a Scripturally sound answer.