Receiving the Holy Spirit

[Floatingaxe]

Floating Axe said

If we have received salvation, how do we know that we have received the indwelling Holy Spirit?

Very simple as scripture has already been posted to verify this, and Thy Word is TruthJohn:17'17

There are always supernatural manifestations which accompany the baptism of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament. There are no exceptions to this. That's how these disciples would have known if they had been baptized with the Holy Spirit---because they would have experienced some supernatural manifestations. Notice that when Paul laid hands on them and they received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, they immediately began speaking in tongues and prophesying. At that point they knew that they had been baptized with the Holy Spirit! Notice that this happened after they had received salvation.

And where may these supernatural manisfestations that accompany the baptism of the Holy Spirit be?? I don't see any such words. However, the Book of Acts is an account of the Acts of the original apostles and disciples, the the gift of tongues was given to spread the Gospel of Christ throughout the area in other languanges, which is what tongues is, in this case.

Tongues cannot and is not the initial evidence of the Holy Spirit, because it is not a sign of believers, but to unbelievers

as Paul specificly writes in 1 Corinthians 14:22!

They immediately began speaking in tongues and prophesying. At that point they knew that they had been baptized with the Holy Spirit! Notice that this happened after they had received salvation

For those who teach this, all I have to say is what Paul said. 1 Corinth. 14:22

Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not. So, you see, as scripture records, tongues is not a sign of being baptized in the Holy Spirit!!

Also, take careful note of 1 Corinthians 12:27-30 where the apostle Paul asks rhetorical questions. He asks, 'are all apostles?' No is the obvious answer. 'Are all prophets?' No. 'Are all teachers?' No. 'Are all workers of miracles?' No. 'Do all have the gifts of healing?' No. 'Do all speak with tongues?' NO! This means that not all believers speak in tongues.

Again, tongues could not be a sign of the receipt of the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit is given to everyone who sincerely repents and is born again, but not everyone has the gift of tongues. So this one text alone rebukes the teaching that it is a sign of the receipt of the"baptism of the Holy Spirit."

The first recorded instance where tongues were spoken is in Acts 2. Here, the term 'tongues' means "a known language". Tongues here is not unknown tongues, or ecstatic speech, because everybody understood what was being said in their own language as Acts 2:6-11 clearly points out. This was a sign to the unbelievers; that God accepted these nations

[Floatingaxe]

Even Paul himself received the baptism of the Holy Spirit AFTER his conversion.

[Floatingaxe]

Another example of susequent Holy Spirit baptism...

At the House of Cornelius the Gentile (Acts 10:44-45)

In Acts 10:44-45, God poured out His Spirit upon Gentiles for the very first time:

"While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers [Jews] who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, "Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have." So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ." (Acts 10:44-48)

This story is repeated in Acts 11:15-17:

"As I [Peter] began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. Then I remembered what the Lord had said: 'John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' So if God gave them the same gift as he gave us, who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could oppose God?" (Acts 11:15-17)

When the Holy Spirit came on the Gentiles at the house of Cornelius, the apostle Peter referred to it as the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Peter said that it was the same event which had happened to the disciples in the beginning at Pentecost.

Notice the terms that are used here to describe the baptism of the Holy Spirit:

o "the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message"

o "the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles"

o "They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have"

o "the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning"

o "God gave them the same gift as he gave us"

http://www.layhands.com/BaptismOfTheHolySpirit1.htm

[Fiosh]

Consider that the Apostles received the Holy Spirit at least twice. In John 20 and against at Pentecost.

What do you guys make of that?

John 20: 19-20

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the doors were locked, where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, "Peace be with you."

When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. The disciples rejoiced when they saw the Lord.

Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you."

And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. "

Peace,

Fiosh

PS. (I'm trying to read thru the thread and catch up. Thought I'd have the house to myself tonite, but the races got rained out and the family was here)

[Vickilynn]

It is difficult to deny experience.

Shalom Ruth,

Our experience must be weighed in the light of the Scriptures. We can never exalt our experience above what the Scriptures say. Experiences can vary and we can be deceived by experiences (I"m not saying YOU are deceived!) and so we must use the Scriptures as the truth, not our experiences.

I believe the Holy Spirit is given to us in His fullness when we are saved. I believe the Word says we are filled, baptized and indwelt by the Holy Spirit when we are born-again. But that does not mean we acknowledge Him or allow Him access to work in us. I believe those who have a later experience are in fact, submitting themselves to the power of the Holy Spirit who already indwells them. And as we mature and give more and more of ourselves over to G-d, He changes us. Only when we submit does He do the work in us. The Holy Spirit will never "take over" our bodies or anything else unless we submit to Him.

[Floatingaxe]

It is difficult to deny experience.

Shalom Ruth,

Our experience must be weighed in the light of the Scriptures. We can never exalt our experience above what the Scriptures say. Experiences can vary and we can be deceived by experiences (I"m not saying YOU are deceived!) and so we must use the Scriptures as the truth, not our experiences.

I believe the Holy Spirit is given to us in His fullness when we are saved. I believe the Word says we are filled, baptized and indwelt by the Holy Spirit when we are born-again. But that does not mean we acknowledge Him or allow Him access to work in us. I believe those who have a later experience are in fact, submitting themselves to the power of the Holy Spirit who already indwells them. And as we mature and give more and more of ourselves over to G-d, He changes us. Only when we submit does He do the work in us. The Holy Spirit will never "take over" our bodies or anything else unless we submit to Him.

Where does it say in the Word of God that we are baptized in the Holy Spirit at conversion? Precisely?

Did you speak in tongues at your conversion? What was the evidence for you?

[Eliyahuw]

Tongues is certainly a sgn of the presence, baptism of the Holy Spirit. You misunderstand the Scriptures. Its use is for a sign to unbelievers, but its appearance in the life of a Christian is an evidence!

You err by teaching otherwise. Understanding is faulty here in many of you.

Evidence? You do realize that demons can imitate and are very good at deception. How do you determine whether or not the tounges are from the HS or a demon! what proof is there if no one understands the tounges spoken.

[Vickilynn]

Where does it say in the Word of God that we are baptized in the Holy Spirit at conversion? Precisely?

Did you speak in tongues at your conversion? What was the evidence for you?

Shalom FA,

If you'll read the numerous Scriptures in both this thread and the other one of the same topic, you will see the Scriptures say plainly that the Holy Spirit indwells us (baptizes us) when we are born-again. That is undeniable.

My experience is not relevant. As I said, experiences must be evaluated by the Scriptures.

G-d's Word is the authority, not someone's "experience", for is subjective and subject to our flesh. G-d's Word is not.

[Vickilynn]

There has been scripture already posted in this thread and that has already been addressed.

Tongues is not a sign of having the Holy Spirit, and that has already been addressed.

Shalom Toni,

Exactly. Thank you!

[Floatingaxe]

Where does it say in the Word of God that we are baptized in the Holy Spirit at conversion? Precisely?

Did you speak in tongues at your conversion? What was the evidence for you?

Shalom FA,

If you'll read the numerous Scriptures in both this thread and the other one of the same topic, you will see the Scriptures say plainly that the Holy Spirit indwells us (baptizes us) when we are born-again. That is undeniable.

My experience is not relevant. As I said, experiences must be evaluated by the Scriptures.

G-d's Word is the authority, not someone's "experience", for is subjective and subject to our flesh. G-d's Word is not.

I have yet to read that the Holy Spirit baptizes us at the exact moment of conversion. It's not there.