Salvation question

[methinkshe]

Lots of denoms require baptism, not just the RC, and Jesus was baptized in water "to fulfill all righteousness" that pretty well answer the question "for me" that we should be baptized, is it necessary for salvation, no I don't think so, but I do think we are not following Christ's example very well if we don't do it.

Then please tell me why Christ said this -

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Was Christ wrong? Was he a liar? He plainly states the he that believes and is baptized will be saved. That is plainly understood to me.

Is taking what Christ said being a demon?

I have give many scriptures here that attest that baptism not only removes our sins but also brings us to Christ. We are buried and raised with him in baptism where our old man is cut off and we put on Christ. Is this a doctrine of demons?

I note that Christ did not say, "he that be not baptized shall be damned" ...

He did not have to. If you think about it, if I don't believe then I won't become a Christian nor get baptized or anything else that makes me a Christian or in the life of Christianity.

Four of my children, aged 23, 21, 19, 18, are going to be baptised this coming Sunday, May 13th. Now, they have all been brought up to know rhe Lord (inasmuch as my rather defective teaching allowed) and within the last few months they have really come to know Jesus as their personal saviour and not just the saviour of the world, and they all want to demonstrate this through water baptism. They have already received the Holy Spirit when they trusted Jesus to be their saviour, but water baptism is their outward proclamation of an event that has already occurred. They are saved, they know they are saved, they are not waiting for water baptism to confirm that - water baptism is merely an outward sign of their inner acceptance of the Lord Jesus. My daughter is so in love with Jesus that she is gagging to be baptised - she can barely wait! Not because she is wanting to be saved , it is BECAUSE she is saved that she cannot wait to witness her salvation and give testimony to that fact. Her great delight at the moment is preparing a testimony to her salvation that she can speak to others!

In Jesus,

Ruth

Edited May 8, 2007 by methinkshe

[Scarletprayers]

Lots of denoms require baptism, not just the RC, and Jesus was baptized in water "to fulfill all righteousness" that pretty well answer the question "for me" that we should be baptized, is it necessary for salvation, no I don't think so, but I do think we are not following Christ's example very well if we don't do it.

Then please tell me why Christ said this -

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Was Christ wrong? Was he a liar? He plainly states the he that believes and is baptized will be saved. That is plainly understood to me.

Is taking what Christ said being a demon?

I have give many scriptures here that attest that baptism not only removes our sins but also brings us to Christ. We are buried and raised with him in baptism where our old man is cut off and we put on Christ. Is this a doctrine of demons?

I was born, bred & raised CoC..............................I can spit out the same scriptures, so don't even try.

There are factions of the Church of Christ that have broken off from us in 1906, 1940's, and around 1960's. They were called Christian Church, Liberals, and the Conservatives. Many of them have quit believing in the power of baptism, the power of prayer, the power of angels ,etc. My mother was a member of one for many years and does not believe in the power of angels. Which one are you?

You can find a lot of what made them go off here - http://www.truthmagazine.com/arch0.html

There are many articles of the "Truth Magazine" expressing much contention in the Churches of Christ because they left off of believing in the scriptures and put their attention to other things. You can see where they eventually split. In the 1950's-1960's many of the Churches of Christ still taught as I do on baptism.

http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume1/TM001011.html

http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume22/TM022298.htm

These are articles written by preachers of the Church of Christ many years ago defending baptism and there are more.

Nope same one as you, have to be baptized to be saved, no music in worship, read the Gospel Advocate, Lords Supper every Sunday, no council or creed, ................................sorry to disappoint you, I'm sure you were hoping I was one of those "offshoots" Just don't happen to believe in all of it any more. And I've probably read all of those articles before you did, there as just as many well known and thought of scholars that can give reasons why baptism isn't necessary for salvation.

[Scarletprayers]

Lots of denoms require baptism, not just the RC, and Jesus was baptized in water "to fulfill all righteousness" that pretty well answer the question "for me" that we should be baptized, is it necessary for salvation, no I don't think so, but I do think we are not following Christ's example very well if we don't do it.

Then please tell me why Christ said this -

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Was Christ wrong? Was he a liar? He plainly states the he that believes and is baptized will be saved. That is plainly understood to me.

Is taking what Christ said being a demon?

I have give many scriptures here that attest that baptism not only removes our sins but also brings us to Christ. We are buried and raised with him in baptism where our old man is cut off and we put on Christ. Is this a doctrine of demons?

I note that Christ did not say, "he that be not baptized shall be damned" ...

Not taking up for cards here but, why would he have to? If you "believe" you'll be baptized, if you don't believe why would you bother, the lack of the complete statement in the 2nd does not negate the statement in the first.

[Floatingaxe]

Lots of denoms require baptism, not just the RC, and Jesus was baptized in water "to fulfill all righteousness" that pretty well answer the question "for me" that we should be baptized, is it necessary for salvation, no I don't think so, but I do think we are not following Christ's example very well if we don't do it.

Then please tell me why Christ said this -

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Was Christ wrong? Was he a liar? He plainly states the he that believes and is baptized will be saved. That is plainly understood to me.

Is taking what Christ said being a demon?

I have give many scriptures here that attest that baptism not only removes our sins but also brings us to Christ. We are buried and raised with him in baptism where our old man is cut off and we put on Christ. Is this a doctrine of demons?

I grew up with a girl who was a member of the Church of Christ denomination, and they believe that one must be baptized to have salvation. They also believed some other things that were a little strange, like: no musical instruments in worship.

I found that this belief that baptism is the means to attain salvation was extremely works oriented and follows after the legalistic leanings that I have discovered about them, and so I find it easy to dismiss.

Baptism is an outward expression to the world of one's identification with Christ and His death and resurrection! Period! It is an expression saying, "Look, I am saved! I follow after Jesus Christ and will be known by Him!"

[Scarletprayers]

Lots of denoms require baptism, not just the RC, and Jesus was baptized in water "to fulfill all righteousness" that pretty well answer the question "for me" that we should be baptized, is it necessary for salvation, no I don't think so, but I do think we are not following Christ's example very well if we don't do it.

Then please tell me why Christ said this -

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Was Christ wrong? Was he a liar? He plainly states the he that believes and is baptized will be saved. That is plainly understood to me.

Is taking what Christ said being a demon?

I have give many scriptures here that attest that baptism not only removes our sins but also brings us to Christ. We are buried and raised with him in baptism where our old man is cut off and we put on Christ. Is this a doctrine of demons?

I grew up with a girl who was a member of the Church of Christ denomination, and they believe that one must be baptized to have salvation. They also believed some other things that were a little strange, like: no musical instruments in worship.

I found that this belief that baptism is the means to attain salvation was extremely works oriented and follows after the legalistic leanings that I have discovered about them, and so I find it easy to dismiss.

Baptism is an outward expression to the world of one's identification with Christ and His death and resurrection! Period! It is an expression saying, "Look, I am saved! I follow after Jesus Christ and will be known by Him!"

Are you calling me strange FA?

[Floatingaxe]

Lots of denoms require baptism, not just the RC, and Jesus was baptized in water "to fulfill all righteousness" that pretty well answer the question "for me" that we should be baptized, is it necessary for salvation, no I don't think so, but I do think we are not following Christ's example very well if we don't do it.

Then please tell me why Christ said this -

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Was Christ wrong? Was he a liar? He plainly states the he that believes and is baptized will be saved. That is plainly understood to me.

Is taking what Christ said being a demon?

I have give many scriptures here that attest that baptism not only removes our sins but also brings us to Christ. We are buried and raised with him in baptism where our old man is cut off and we put on Christ. Is this a doctrine of demons?

I grew up with a girl who was a member of the Church of Christ denomination, and they believe that one must be baptized to have salvation. They also believed some other things that were a little strange, like: no musical instruments in worship.

I found that this belief that baptism is the means to attain salvation was extremely works oriented and follows after the legalistic leanings that I have discovered about them, and so I find it easy to dismiss.

Baptism is an outward expression to the world of one's identification with Christ and His death and resurrection! Period! It is an expression saying, "Look, I am saved! I follow after Jesus Christ and will be known by Him!"

Are you calling me strange FA?

Who me? No...

One of my best friends is Church of Christ, and her sons are pastors in the states in that denomination. I love her very much!

[Scarletprayers]

Yep....................you called me strange....................

[Eliyahuw]

Tell me again that baptism doesn't save us. It says it "also" does because we are saved by grace through faith, obedience, baptism, repentance, etc.

NO it doesn't say that card. It specifically says we are saved By GRACE through faith. Not of works, or baptism.

Repentence is done when you accept christ as savior.

[Eliyahuw]

We are saved by grace through faith, but if I have not works (obedience to gospel) then my faith is dead.

So then your saying that christs blood is not enough then.

What dead faith means is if there are no works as a result of salvation, then the faith was dead to begin with and you weren't saved. Simple isn't it!

[Eliyahuw]

But what of those who may not have a choice.

Example:

Maybe someone accepted Christ on an airplane before it crahsed and that person died.

Maybe someone accepted Christ on their death-bed.

What happens if someone by no fault of their own, accepts Christ but is not water immeresed for reasons beyond their control?

We have actually baptized people on their death bed. If our lives are to live by faith in Christ then we should have the same faith that he will provide a way like with the Ethiopeon Eunuch in the book of Acts. God provided water.

Dear brother/sister

Is your denominational background Roman Catholic because I sense in you a captivity to a doctrine that is of men and tradition and not of our Lord Jesus. Again, you have have missed the point. Let us substitute at every Scripture where the term "baptism" is used in tranaslation from Greek, the phrase "plunged into..." What did you plunge someone into on their death bed? That we have somehow elevated the term baptism to a rite instead of its original meaning - a plunging into - has caused huge misunderstanding. Therefore, go back to the Greek and understand what was meant by being baptised. I mean, I'm sure that when you ministered to someone on their death bed that you did not baptise them into fire - a Scripturally recognised baptism. So what did you baptise them into? Was it not into the Lord Jesus? And was not water just a symbol? Therefore, it is not the act of baptism/plunging into that is important of itself, but into what or whom one is being plunged into/baptised.

In Jesus

Ruth

For one account, we met a man who attended one of our non-member classes, liked what he heard and was baptized. The church later found that he had a brother living with him who was in bed dying from cancer. He was taught the gospel and accepted it. He was then taken to be fully baptized in water. When even had classes and worship at his house a few times so that he can participate. Not long after that he died.

I am not Roman Catholic. I am a member of the Church of Christ. If you want to find a little more about us and some history please read this link -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Christ

I am not caught up in a "doctrine of men", everything I have said I have given scriptural backing and I can give more.

Ah that explains it. my ex-Bil is COC and teaches that you lose your salvation every time you sin.