Can someone be a "saved" Christian and give merit to evoluti

[undone]

There are some interpretations that say Genesis 1 and 2 are unique in that they aren't written like other historical passages (in Hebrew). It's more poetic and theological in its description. In other words, it was written to prove a point and not necessarily to describe how something happened.

It's hard to explain and I have no problem admitting that it's over my head. I have not studied interpretation enough to know the complete justification behind it. What I do know is of the authors I have read defending such a position, all believe the Bible is the Word of God and are very conservative in their interpretation.

Ultimately, it is not a salvation issue but simply an issue of interpretation.

If not Hebrew, what were Genesis 1 and 2 originally written in? You've caught my interest...

I don't believe AK was suggesting that Genesis 1-2 was not written in Hebrew...it was. Rather he is implying that some biblical scholars find these 2 chapters do not exactly fit in with the rest of the historical records recorded in the Scriptures, hence the suggestion that they are closer to painting a general picture than recording events with historical accuracy.

Right, that's what I was saying. Just in a horrible and choppy manner.

Okay...I see... So something about the artistic style of the writing suggests we start with a "tale" of sorts then move to literal historical accounts?

Exactly.

Is there any evidence to suggest this occurs anywhere else in scripture. For example, Noah's Flood or Joshua's long day...or anywhere else? This leaves us open to the criticism that the bible is full of stories and tales and therefore unreliable, doesn't it? I suppose this is why we have people who dedicate their lives to interpreting the scriptures (rightly dividing the word, I can't remember the word for it - Hermeneutics?).

[apothanein kerdos]

Is there any evidence to suggest this occurs anywhere else in scripture. For example, Noah's Flood or Joshua's long day...or anywhere else? This leaves us open to the criticism that the bible is full of stories and tales and therefore unreliable, doesn't it? I suppose this is why we have people who dedicate their lives to interpreting the scriptures (rightly dividing the word, I can't remember the word for it - Hermeneutics?).

Hermeneutics allows us to test each case.

It can be applied to Noah's Flood to a certain extent. It also applies to the theological Psalms...which come across literal but cannot be taken literally.

[undone]

Is there any evidence to suggest this occurs anywhere else in scripture. For example, Noah's Flood or Joshua's long day...or anywhere else? This leaves us open to the criticism that the bible is full of stories and tales and therefore unreliable, doesn't it? I suppose this is why we have people who dedicate their lives to interpreting the scriptures (rightly dividing the word, I can't remember the word for it - Hermeneutics?).

Hermeneutics allows us to test each case.

It can be applied to Noah's Flood to a certain extent. It also applies to the theological Psalms...which come across literal but cannot be taken literally.

I suppose Song of Solomon would be an example of this? Poetic literature with spiritual implications. Solomon was writing about a real relationship with real feelings but using language that illustrates the depth of his feelings for her. To take Song of Solomon literally would be absurd.

I suppose applying some of this to the Genesis 1 and 2 accounts makes some degree of sense. The writer was obviously not there at the beginning so the story is told to convey the message but then, as records are kept, the accounts become more and more literal representations of the event. Is this what you are saying?

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I'm sorry, but I disagree Fresno.

No Kidding!

I love you brother!

You are a smart fellow.

You are being lied to!

You need The Lie Detector God gave us!

You need The Holy Bible deep within your mind and your heart to "fool" proof you my brother.

Read (and post) The Word of God.

God is so much smarter than all the created Angels and men critters and, Yes, even woman creatures put together.

Post the scriptures you use which reconcile Jesus The Creator in John 1:1-3 with evolution, an unscientific figment of evil imaginations.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:1-3

Then maybe your words about disagreeing with God's Word can teach Old Fresno thing or two!

The LORD knows Old Fresno could stand to learn more and more about God and about His Love for us rascals!

By the By, What is a Christian to you Oh Hamburgers!

Got scripture?

Why is it needful to be a Christian Oh Hamburgers!

Got scripture?

PS: At Worthy, God's Word Reigns!

So, any attempts to keep God's Holy Word off the "Weird Science" or off the "fairy-tail evolution" threads will fail.

Give it up.

Why The Shame?

Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Mark 8:38

Oh Brother Oh Hamburgers!

I read you always agreeing with God haters as they falsely claim Factual Science backs their denial of The Genesis Creation.....

And their denial of The Truth of God's Holy Word, The Bible.....

And their denial of the fall of perfect man.....

And their denial of sin.....

And their denial of The LORD Jesus Christ, The Creator.....

And their denial of God The Father.....

And their denial of The Holy Ghost.....

And their denial of the need for The Holy Blood shed for the remission of sins.....

And their denial of Hell.....

And their denial of Heaven.....

And their denial of The New Creation and The New Jerusalem to come.....

And their denial of life etrnal.....

It appears to me you could be ashamed of The Words Of Jesus!

I've never read any scripture posted by you, just many words standing in direct opposition to God's clear Word.

I fear for you Dear Little Brother Oh Hamburgers!

Does anybody care about Oh Hamburgers!

Does anybody Pray for Oh Hamburgers!

Worthy Does

We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

Colossians 1:3

Jesus Does

As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

John 10:15

God The Father Does

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

Does Oh Hamburgers! know God?

Got scriptures?

Time to make a stand.

Either way Oh Hamburgers!, you are deeply loved and cherished and most Welcome at Worthy.

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

Numbers 6:24-26

Love, Your Brother Joe

[CSLewis]

[systemstrike_7]

Evil evolution? Geez, alot of us are in trouble....

[apothanein kerdos]

Evil evolution? Geez, alot of us are in trouble....

I know a pastor that calls it "evil-lution." He doesn't even know where it came from (Inherit the Wind)...then again, he doesn't know much.

[systemstrike_7]

Oh ya, and to answer the original question of the thread: Yes, you can be saved and still give merit to Evolution. Evolution doesn't expel or limit the necessity for God in the universe. It merely shows that He happens to be quite the Artist!

And I would say that anyone who believes that people who give merit to evolution aren't saved needs to check their arrogance at the door...

[systemstrike_7]

Evil evolution? Geez, alot of us are in trouble....

I know a pastor that calls it "evil-lution." He doesn't even know where it came from (Inherit the Wind)...then again, he doesn't know much.

Well, under his thinking, many Christians (many of whom are very well educated and have dedicated their lives to uncovering this truth) will go to hell. That isn't the God I love...

[undone]

Evil evolution? Geez, alot of us are in trouble....

I know a pastor that calls it "evil-lution." He doesn't even know where it came from (Inherit the Wind)...then again, he doesn't know much.

Well, under his thinking, many Christians (many of whom are very well educated and have dedicated their lives to uncovering this truth) will go to hell. That isn't the God I love...

Thanks for the reply guys. I kinda sensed where this was going. Nobody jumped in with a literalist view making the claim that you go to hell for entertaining such thoughts.

But I'd like to continue the discussion AK and I were having with regards to how to reconcile the literal interpretation of scripture with the possibility of something like evilution. AK's explanation of the first two chapters of Genesis is something I've not heard before and I find interesting at the very least.

Evilution seems to be a sticking point in most creation vs. not discussions/debates. I feel it would be nice to get past it and address other objections to the faith and ultimately explain the Gospel message. I find it amazing how some people will bend and twist the beauty of the Christ Crucified message into to something perverted and ugly.