Head "OF" or head "OVER" .....

[ColleenLovesMischief]

Thank you for the clarification. I believe God established a social order, but not necessarliy was it established in creation. It became more clear in the New testament. Although at the fall God said that a womans desire would be for her husband and he would rule over her......that was part of the curse.

Ok, so in your understanding Gen. 3:16 was a curse upon women, that from then on husbands should rule over their wives. And is it your opinion that Christ's nailing the curses of the law to the cross, did not cover that. Do you also equate pain in child bearing as a curse that no woman can escape?

I'm just wondering exactly how you view that. And then later or tomorrow I will explain how I view this section of Scripture. And please do not think I'm telling you you have to believe as I do. I will just be explaining my view and why I think it is correct.

thanks for the dialogue.

Considering Christ did not come to do away with the law but to fufill it ummm yeah I believe men are in authority over women. And as to pain in childbirth....I have 2 chilren...trust me....that curse still stands.

[Emily~Anne]

OC:Ruling and having authority over the animals of the earth is not abuse firehill it is a responsibility to care for them else they would run amuck on the face of the earth the cows have to be milked everyday and so forth it is a place of responsiblity.

Good points. We are to care for them and they are a responsibility of ours.

I don't understand what you are refering too. I didn't see the words 'rule' and 'authority' at all in EmilyAnne's post. Neither did I mention one word on 'rule' and 'authority' over animals. I only spoke on abuse. There is a difference between rule, authority and abuse.

No, you mentioned "abuse" Why don't you tell me what the difference is between the three of them then?

OC

Yes, I did mention abuse, not rule or authority.

God's rule whom has all authority is never abusive.

And the same goes for my husband's authority. God did not intend for a husband's authority over his wife to be abusive. Authority does not necessarily equal abuse. And the authority we have over our pets also is not abusive. Granted some people exercise their authority in an abusive way, but that is not God's way. God's design for authority is more like being under an umbrella that protects us.

What I was trying to address in my original post was the definitions posted of subdue and dominion made it sound like we should feel free to go ahead torture and abuse all the animals we want to. I know that is not what was meant.

[ColleenLovesMischief]

OC:Ruling and having authority over the animals of the earth is not abuse firehill it is a responsibility to care for them else they would run amuck on the face of the earth the cows have to be milked everyday and so forth it is a place of responsiblity.

Good points. We are to care for them and they are a responsibility of ours.

I don't understand what you are refering too. I didn't see the words 'rule' and 'authority' at all in EmilyAnne's post. Neither did I mention one word on 'rule' and 'authority' over animals. I only spoke on abuse. There is a difference between rule, authority and abuse.

No, you mentioned "abuse" Why don't you tell me what the difference is between the three of them then?

OC

Yes, I did mention abuse, not rule or authority.

God's rule whom has all authority is never abusive.

And the same goes for my husband's authority. God did not intend for a husband's authority over his wife to be abusive. Authority does not necessarily equal abuse. And the authority we have over our pets also is not abusive. Granted some people exercise their authority in an abusive way, but that is not God's way. God's design for authority is more like being under an umbrella that protects us.

What I was trying to address in my original post was the definitions posted of subdue and dominion made it sound like we should feel free to go ahead torture and abuse all animal we want to. I know that is not what was meant.

And accountability. We all have to be accountable to someone.

[apothanein kerdos]

Why debate OopsMartin, he's dishonest. Below are links to his posts, and the websites he plagiarized with these posts...in this topic alone. People, why waste your time?:

Post #1

Post #2

Website for both

Post #3

Website for Post #3

Post #4

Website for Post #4

I'd just suggest people stop wasting their time with OopsMartin. Plagiarism is a sure sign of someone who doesn't know what he's talking about...but wants to look like he does.

[followerofjesus]

A house divided cannot stand.

[OopsMartin]

Why debate OopsMartin, he's dishonest. Below are links to his posts, and the websites he plagiarized with these posts...in this topic alone. People, why waste your time?:

Post #1

Post #2

Website for both

Post #3

Website for Post #3

Post #4

Website for Post #4

Someone has really gone off the deep end.

Plagerism is where one uses another's words as if they were his own. All I've done is quoted from books. Yes, I did get all those quotes from the list on "About Biblical Equality" except from the ones I typed directly from the books I have. So what? And I did not copy the quotes from MetaCrocks Blog or God's Word to Women as you say. A lot of people read these books and quote from them.

I'd just suggest people stop wasting their time with OopsMartin

Interesting. Thanks for the attention.

[Emily~Anne]

Thank you for the clarification. I believe God established a social order, but not necessarliy was it established in creation. It became more clear in the New testament. Although at the fall God said that a womans desire would be for her husband and he would rule over her......that was part of the curse.

Ok, so in your understanding Gen. 3:16 was a curse upon women, that from then on husbands should rule over their wives. And is it your opinion that Christ's nailing the curses of the law to the cross, did not cover that. Do you also equate pain in child bearing as a curse that no woman can escape?

I'm just wondering exactly how you view that. And then later or tomorrow I will explain how I view this section of Scripture. And please do not think I'm telling you you have to believe as I do. I will just be explaining my view and why I think it is correct.

thanks for the dialogue.

Considering Christ did not come to do away with the law but to fufill it ummm yeah I believe men are in authority over women. And as to pain in childbirth....I have 2 chilren...trust me....that curse still stands.

Trust me, I know exactly what you mean! I have 2 children also! And they were not pain free births by any means!

[ColleenLovesMischief]

Why debate OopsMartin, he's dishonest. Below are links to his posts, and the websites he plagiarized with these posts...in this topic alone. People, why waste your time?:

Post #1

Post #2

Website for both

Post #3

Website for Post #3

Post #4

Website for Post #4

I'd just suggest people stop wasting their time with OopsMartin. Plagiarism is a sure sign of someone who doesn't know what he's talking about...but wants to look like he does.

Plagerism is claiming someone elses work as your own....I didn't see that

[apothanein kerdos]

Why debate OopsMartin, he's dishonest. Below are links to his posts, and the websites he plagiarized with these posts...in this topic alone. People, why waste your time?:

Post #1

Post #2

Website for both

Post #3

Website for Post #3

Post #4

Website for Post #4

Someone has really gone off the deep end.

Plagerism is where one uses another's words as if they were his own. All I've done is quoted from books. Yes, I did get all those quotes from the list on "About Biblical Equality" except from the ones I typed directly from the books I have. So what? And I did not copy the quotes from MetaCrocks Blog or God's Word to Women as you say. A lot of people read these books and quote from them.

Oh, so you just got lucky and had the same opinion and commentary as all of them, word for word?

[ColleenLovesMischief]

Thank you for the clarification. I believe God established a social order, but not necessarliy was it established in creation. It became more clear in the New testament. Although at the fall God said that a womans desire would be for her husband and he would rule over her......that was part of the curse.

Ok, so in your understanding Gen. 3:16 was a curse upon women, that from then on husbands should rule over their wives. And is it your opinion that Christ's nailing the curses of the law to the cross, did not cover that. Do you also equate pain in child bearing as a curse that no woman can escape?

I'm just wondering exactly how you view that. And then later or tomorrow I will explain how I view this section of Scripture. And please do not think I'm telling you you have to believe as I do. I will just be explaining my view and why I think it is correct.

thanks for the dialogue.

Considering Christ did not come to do away with the law but to fufill it ummm yeah I believe men are in authority over women. And as to pain in childbirth....I have 2 chilren...trust me....that curse still stands.

Trust me, I know exactly what you mean! I have 2 children also! And they were not pain free births by any means!

LOL EM I was hoping I wasn't the only one who was in pain.