Ouija Boards etc. fro Christians

[Emily~Anne]

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That's my point - they -aren't-. People worship gnomes; okay. Agreed. They don't worship garden gnomes. They have the same name, but the similarity ends there. It's like saying Santa Clause is an image of the Buddha, just because they're both fat.

Here are some tarot cards with gnomes on them, they dont look so different to me. I also found a forum where pyschics get together and chat, they raved about how much they love these tarot cards.

http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/gnomes/

[Vickilynn]

Again, if you are going to raise a stink about one thing, you must consider all things.

Shalom Gerioke,

Uh huh, so sharing my personal Biblical beliefs is "raising a stink"? Hmmmm, sorry, that's not what Jesus says. If you disagree - fine, but there needs to be some grace here.

[Gerioke]

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That's my point - they -aren't-. People worship gnomes; okay. Agreed. They don't worship garden gnomes. They have the same name, but the similarity ends there. It's like saying Santa Clause is an image of the Buddha, just because they're both fat.

Here are some tarot cards with gnomes on them, they dont look so different to me. I also found a forum where pyschics get together and chat, they raved about how much they love these tarot cards.

http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/gnomes/

If psychics liked peanut butter sandwiches, does that make peanut but sandwiches evil?

[Vickilynn]

Garden gnomes of likenesses of false gods.

That's my point - they -aren't-. People worship gnomes; okay. Agreed. They don't worship garden gnomes. They have the same name, but the similarity ends there. It's like saying Santa Clause is an image of the Buddha, just because they're both fat.

Shalom rtwo,

Your point is your opinion and it has been made repeatedly.

However, other opinions that disagree with your are JUST as valid. I believe that statues of Buddha and statues of gnomes are the same - likenesses of false gods.

This thread is about a serious issue to some people. To those who don't consider it a problem, the Word say y'all should be showing grace, not ridiculing what you don't agree with.

[Vickilynn]

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That's my point - they -aren't-. People worship gnomes; okay. Agreed. They don't worship garden gnomes. They have the same name, but the similarity ends there. It's like saying Santa Clause is an image of the Buddha, just because they're both fat.

Here are some tarot cards with gnomes on them, they dont look so different to me. I also found a forum where pyschics get together and chat, they raved about how much they love these tarot cards.

http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/gnomes/

If psychics liked peanut butter sandwiches, does that make peanut but sandwiches evil?

Shalom Gerioke,

Your post has been reported. Your sarcasm is not welcome in this thread.

[rtwo]

*shortened*

That's my point - they -aren't-. People worship gnomes; okay. Agreed. They don't worship garden gnomes. They have the same name, but the similarity ends there. It's like saying Santa Clause is an image of the Buddha, just because they're both fat.

Here are some tarot cards with gnomes on them, they dont look so different to me. I also found a forum where pyschics get together and chat, they raved about how much they love these tarot cards.

http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/gnomes/

The cards are designed to be amusing, and probably based on garden gnomes.

From the website:

The Tarot of the Gnomes is a popular Tarot, cute, amusing and quirky, featuring tiny rotund and buxom gnomes. All of the cards are illustrated and feature a keyword for beginners.

Are the cards bad? Yes. Put dogs playing poker on them and they'd still be bad.

[Emily~Anne]

*shortened*

That's my point - they -aren't-. People worship gnomes; okay. Agreed. They don't worship garden gnomes. They have the same name, but the similarity ends there. It's like saying Santa Clause is an image of the Buddha, just because they're both fat.

Here are some tarot cards with gnomes on them, they dont look so different to me. I also found a forum where pyschics get together and chat, they raved about how much they love these tarot cards.

http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/gnomes/

The cards are designed to be amusing, and probably based on garden gnomes.

From the website:

The Tarot of the Gnomes is a popular Tarot, cute, amusing and quirky, featuring tiny rotund and buxom gnomes. All of the cards are illustrated and feature a keyword for beginners.

Are the cards bad? Yes. Put dogs playing poker on them and they'd still be bad.

Read the review, those are the real thing to psychics.

From the review:

The Tarot of the Gnomes at first glance appears to be a fluffy deck. The minute you open this deck you will be greeted by playful, fun Gnomes. You will soon realize that there are also a few Gnomes that have a bit of a darker side.

[Gerioke]

*shortened*

That's my point - they -aren't-. People worship gnomes; okay. Agreed. They don't worship garden gnomes. They have the same name, but the similarity ends there. It's like saying Santa Clause is an image of the Buddha, just because they're both fat.

Here are some tarot cards with gnomes on them, they dont look so different to me. I also found a forum where pyschics get together and chat, they raved about how much they love these tarot cards.

http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/gnomes/

If psychics liked peanut butter sandwiches, does that make peanut but sandwiches evil?

Shalom Gerioke,

Your post has been reported. Your sarcasm is not welcome in this thread.

It's not sarcasm. It's comparitive logic.

[Phil.2:12]

Leaving the arena of gnomes and faeires for a minute, allow me to return to the Ouija board. When I was a very young Christian and attending a denominational college, a friend of mine and I began to play around with a Ouija board. I'll tell you what we experienced in a moment, but first you need to know my history with the Ouija board.

As a child, growing up in a Christian home, I had access to a Ouija board in the home. My siblings and I spent many an hour playing with this board and we thought nothing of it, for to us it was just harmless fun, we did not perceive any sort of evil of any kind being attached to it. To my family, it was just a harmless toy.

Fast forward to my college years, many years separated from my youth (I flunked out of three colleges in my youth before going back at 27 with a wife and a child). Even though I was a Christian while in the college where I received my degree, I was not a Christan growing up, even though I had been baptized, catechized, and was a member in good standing in my denomination, for I had never accepted Jesus as my Savior until just after my 25th birthday.

So now this newly minted Christian (who had never been taught that there was any evil at all inherent in the Ouija board) pulled out one of these "harmless toys" at my friends house and we begin to play with it. Harmless questions were asked leading to seemingly harmless answers. However, the level of questions began to become more serious the more we played with the Ouija board. It rose to the level where my wife, in the other room listening, began to be seriously disturbed by the level of questioning and the answers we were receiving. She was, at that time, a dedicated child of God who could plainly hear Him speaking to her. When she began to be seriously disturbed by just listening to our questions and answers, it began to bother me. So I asked the Ouija board if it was being operated by a spirit being and the immediate answer was a "Yes".

My friend and I were on to something here, so I asked the Ouija board for the name of the spirit operating the board. The board immediately spelled out the name "Mephistopheles" which I immediately recognized as the name of the chief devil in the legend of Faust, the man who sold his soul to the devil. My friend and I quit at once playing with the Ouija board because we now knew that it was demonically powered and we even had the name of the demon. At no time were either my friend or myself thinking of this name or even considering the possibility that the Ouija board could be demon powered. The answer of "yes" to the question asking if the Ouija board was being operated by a spirit was so quick that it took both my friend and me by surprise. The rapid and immediate spelling of the demon's name also convinced both of us that we were no longer in control of moving the triangle with the downward pointing tack that is the method the Ouija board uses to communicate with those consulting it.

The demon "Mephistopheles" was now in control of this "harmless toy" and that knowledge has led me to give up totally a "harmless toy" I had enjoying playing witth as a child. To this day I will not touch a Ouija board except to throw it in the trash for immediate removal from the area. My friend threw his Ouija board away immediately after that session and, to my knowledge, never picked it up again.

I know, from personal experience, that Ouija boards are demon powered and are far from the "harmless toy" that they are represented as being. No born-again child of God should ever consent to playing with this "harmless toy" for to do so gives Satan immediate access to your mind and thoughts even though you feel that you are protected from demonic forces through the power of God. To willingly allow Satan and his demons access to your mind and thoughts through playing with a Ouija board negates any protection from God that you might now enjoy, for the Ouija board, and all it stands for does not come from God, but is truly a deception of Satan designed to control your mind and thoughts through his demons.

[rtwo]

I know, from personal experience, that Ouija boards are demon powered and are far from the "harmless toy" that they are represented as being. No born-again child of God should ever consent to playing with this "harmless toy" for to do so gives Satan immediate access to your mind and thoughts even though you feel that you are protected from demonic forces through the power of God. To willingly allow Satan and his demons access to your mind and thoughts through playing with a Ouija board negates any protection from God that you might now enjoy, for the Ouija board, and all it stands for does not come from God, but is truly a deception of Satan designed to control your mind and thoughts through his demons.

As I mentioned on another board, you don't need the actual ouija to do it; it can be done with anything. The real thing is not using a toy, but opening your mind to Satan. Given that this is exactly what the ouija represents, I agree that no Christian should be in possession of one, and certainly never use one. What far too many people don't realise is, MAGIC WORKS. Or, rather, it -can- work. The reason for this is simple - Satan wants you as far from God as possible, and will use positive reinforcement to get you there. Magic is manipulating nature and attempting to contact or use the supernatural to get what you want, and since this flies right in the face of what Scripture teaches, Satan delights in it. The only way to get more people doing it is by making sure that, at least in many cases, it actually works for people.

I say this in relation to the ouija because it is important to understand where the power of the ouija comes from. It is nothing inherent in the board itself. Scripturally speaking, there is no precedent for demonic inhabitation of inanimate objects. What scripture does say is that we are tempted and tormented often. Why? It could very well be that there are many demons, some of whom are assigned to personally attack you. I believe it is from -these- entities that we see power in things like ouija boards, or, as has been mentioned previously, certain paintings with occult themes. The demons aren't attached to the object -- they're attached to the people (this isn't the same as possession necessarily ... I believe we are influenced by demons daily, especially in these final days).

So, then, why do demons rely on such inanimate objects in some cases to make any kind of non-subtle contact? For a couple reasons. Let's first remember that a demon's goal is to decieve you away from Christ. It doesn't matter what it pushes you toward; the destination isn't the point. The breaking of contact from the Lord is. People use things like tarot and Ouiji boards to contact the dead, or the spirit world. Such things are immediately contrary to Scripture, and anyone who uses them for such has no understanding of Scripture, or doesn't care. Demons reward this behavior because it reinforces the belief in this anti-Christ theology.

Another reason is that if a demon can confuse you by appearing to be attached to an object, it makes a scapegoat of that object. Once you remove the object from your life, you can then be decieved into believing that the demon left with it. In other words, looking for outward problem areas keeps us from looking inward.