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I hate the taste of alcohol, I think its gross and I hate drinking. But then even Jesus drank wine which makes me think its OK to drink and I should maybe like to drink?

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I hate the taste of alcohol, I think its gross and I hate drinking. But then even Jesus drank wine which makes me think its OK to drink and I should maybe like to drink?

drank, not drunk. :emot-hug:


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Yes, Jesus drank wine but it wasn't wine like we know it. It was crushed grapes. :emot-hug:


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Jesus ate the diet of Israel in the year 0-33AD; there are probably many things He ate that many of us would find gross.

Obviously Jesus is not telling us nor advising us to drink wine. The wine He drank was alcoholic wine, probably weaker than our wine today, but about the same stuff. The Jewish Seder traditions have not changed in huge ways since Jesus partook of the Passover meal.

But He said that what defiles us comes from our heart not what goes down our gullet. Wine has great danger for many; drunkenness comes from the heart and is greatly warned against. If you don't like alcohol it is a great thing, don't start drinking. Of course if you are under 21 drinking is also illegal and Christ would never want us to break those laws.


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I drink wine. I can have a glass a night for a week and then go months without one. Therefore, I have no personal conviction against drinking wine since it appears it doesn't control me or affect my witness.

I do not smoke. I can't just have one cigar; I'd be a chain-smoker. Therefore, I have a personal conviction against smoking since it would control me and negatively affect my witness for the Lord (and destroy my physical body).

We all experience different convictions, I believe, because different things affect us differently.

Drinking wine is not a sin. There is nothing wrong with an occassional glass of wine or even an occassional cigar. On the other hand, through excess, allowing those things to control you and remove your focus off of Christ is sinful.

If I could limit myself to one occassional cigar, I'd light up today. :emot-hug: ...but I can't. :) ...so I don't.


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Yes, Jesus drank wine but it wasn't wine like we know it. It was crushed grapes. :emot-hug:

Crushed grapes ferment and turn into wine. It doesn't take long for the process to occur. The only thing that stops the process of fermentation is Pasteurization, a process not developed until the mid-1800's. The result of is fruit juice. :)

Furthermore, "Wine was used in the rite by all Protestant groups until an alternative arose in 1869 when Methodist minister-turned-dentist Thomas Bramwell Welch applied new pasteurization techniques to stop the natural fermentation process of grape juice." re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine


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Furthermore, "Wine was used in the rite by all Protestant groups until an alternative arose in 1869 when Methodist minister-turned-dentist Thomas Bramwell Welch applied new pasteurization techniques to stop the natural fermentation process of grape juice." re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine

That's where Welch's came from? I didn't know.

Zol, I can't even stand the smell of wine/alcohol. You don't have to drink if you don't like it.


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Maybe he liked it. There is nothing wrong with enjoying what God has given you. And here we have one more example from Jesus on how we can enjoy it with out sinning.

God Bless,

K.D.


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Yes, Jesus drank wine but it wasn't wine like we know it. It was crushed grapes. :noidea:

Wine comes from crushed grapes. :)


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Maybe he liked it. There is nothing wrong with enjoying what God has given you. And here we have one more example from Jesus on how we can enjoy it with out sinning.

God Bless,

K.D.

Exactly.

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