Im stunned

[AndrewA]

If you find the title offensive then you obviously do not have a problem with porn addiction etc. This is a very clever ploy to attract people who are addicted to porn to come into hearing the Gospel and indeed being helped to cure their porn addiction or being liberated from the porn industry. AS has been pointed out, if website is like pornaddictwillgotohell.com then its not going to be visited by those who need saving from porn. However if someone simply sees the slogan Christian Porn, they will write it down with enthusiasm and look forward to visiting the new site as one can never visit or bookmark too many porn sites.

We can not simply bury our heads in the sand and condemn anything that is outside our comfort zone without all the facts or simply because it uses a word we find offensive. There is a ugly bad evil world outside, we are instructed to mingle with the world and spread the Gospel and to Love Thy Neighbour, most christians do not want to do this, they can not even bare to leave the comfort of church , groups and activities and go out and face the real world.

Ok it is is offensive to you, but that necessarily mean what these people are doing are wrong or way they are doing it is wrong. No one has no idea what God has told these people to do, wouldn't you look foolish if you condemned these people and so on when infact God was with them 100% of the way?

[Guest]

"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."

Ephesians 4:29-32

The question is, do the ends justify the means?

With Man - Never

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Proverbs 14:12

With God - Yes

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Hebrews 12:2

Who We Are

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

2 Corinthians 5:20-21

What We Do

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Timothy 4:2-4

How We Think

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

Philippians 4:8-9

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[rtwo]

Seriously though...

these guys have the right idea but are using a VERY wrong approach. As if the Kindom of God is glorified by being associated with porn.

I agree with you on this also Ax..............wrong way to go about it!

I disagree. It's not unethical. It's not immoral or illegal. We're fighting a war for souls. If somebody's feelings get hurt in the process, or someone's delicate sense of rightness with the world is thrown off a touch, so be it.

The Kingdom of God is associated with porn -- in the same way it's associated with drug and alcohol abuse, gambling addictions and other such vices. It is associated because it is by Christ that these bonds are broken. People with addictions often don't want to be addicted. This goes as much for sex and pornography as it does for alchohol or crack. Sites like this aren't so very sneaky ... people who go to them have it in the backs of their heads that they aren't going to see the usual -- and they don't want to. You should see the track record on these guys. Theirs is an amazing deliverance ministry, and they have done much for those in need.

It may be uncomfortable for some -- and that's precisely why they are necessary.

[Axxman]

I disagree. It's not unethical. It's not immoral or illegal. We're fighting a war for souls. If somebody's feelings get hurt in the process, or someone's delicate sense of rightness with the world is thrown off a touch, so be it.

The Kingdom of God is associated with porn -- in the same way it's associated with drug and alcohol abuse, gambling addictions and other such vices. It is associated because it is by Christ that these bonds are broken. People with addictions often don't want to be addicted. This goes as much for sex and pornography as it does for alchohol or crack. Sites like this aren't so very sneaky ... people who go to them have it in the backs of their heads that they aren't going to see the usual -- and they don't want to. You should see the track record on these guys. Theirs is an amazing deliverance ministry, and they have done much for those in need.

It may be uncomfortable for some -- and that's precisely why they are necessary.

Your right...it is a war. Since when to we go to battle under the enemies banner? It is almost sacriligious to claim that the "Kingdom of God is associated with porn." Since when? The bible proclaims that the Kingdom of God is righteousness. Jesus taught that the Kingdom of God was the dwelling place of the Father...there are no such associations in His presence.

I don't much care about their 'numbers', nor do I think its beneficial to discuss their success and failures. Muslims have numbers..that doesn't prove much. I have consistently said that I support the ministry that these men represent...however, there is NO biblical support for the way they carry it out. I should also say that I don't disagree with everything they do (I'm not making blanket statements.) My only point of contention is that Jesus didn't use worldly gimmicks, innuendos, and imagery to reach the lost...and there is no scriptural support saying that we should either.

That being said...I pray for these Brothers and Sisters in Christ as I would any others in ministry.

[rtwo]

Your right...it is a war. Since when to we go to battle under the enemies banner? It is almost sacriligious to claim that the "Kingdom of God is associated with porn." Since when? The bible proclaims that the Kingdom of God is righteousness. Jesus taught that the Kingdom of God was the dwelling place of the Father...there are no such associations in His presence.

I don't much care about their 'numbers', nor do I think its beneficial to discuss their success and failures. Muslims have numbers..that doesn't prove much. I have consistently said that I support the ministry that these men represent...however, there is NO biblical support for the way they carry it out. I should also say that I don't disagree with everything they do (I'm not making blanket statements.) My only point of contention is that Jesus didn't use worldly gimmicks, innuendos, and imagery to reach the lost...and there is no scriptural support saying that we should either.

That being said...I pray for these Brothers and Sisters in Christ as I would any others in ministry.

You would have a point -- if they were actually using porn. But they aren't. To me, this is no different than Jesus going to where the sinners were. They're reaching a certain group of the lost by attracting them there first. All they have basically is a website address. People show up, see what it is. Some leave because it's not what they were looking for -- but for many, it is exactly what they were looking for.

My only point of contention is that Jesus didn't use worldly gimmicks, innuendos, and imagery to reach the lost...and there is no scriptural support saying that we should either.

If you take a closer look, these guys aren't either. They -are- saying the word "porn", and they are talking frankly about it. But you have to identify and discuss the problem if you want help with it. You can't just hope to avoid the issue. All these guys are doing is bringing it in focus for those for whom it is already a huge problem.

It is almost sacriligious to claim that the "Kingdom of God is associated with porn."

Clearly, you didn't read the rest of that statement.

Since when to we go to battle under the enemies banner?

It happens all the time, and is excellent strategy. Just fyi. But really, that's not what's going on here. They're using a means people will recognize to draw them in. And, as I mentioned the first time, if you put something like "Christian Porn" on the header, most people will recognize that it won't be naked people. They might think it'll be something funny... or they might get the inkling that it is the escape they've been looking for.

Either way, I fully support and endorse this type of ministry, and wish more Christians would.

[dugmando]

Friends,

Can I say that I understand people having difficulties with this particular ministry.

But rest assured it is a ministry!

Someone said:

Seriously though...

these guys have the right idea but are using a VERY wrong approach. As if the Kindom of God is glorified by being associated with porn.

And someone else said something about the ends justifying the means?

Well to that I say does the Bible distinguish between sin?

Is one sin worst than the other?

Certainly not sin is sin how offensive and out of the normal was the cure for sin?

At His birth Jesus so upset the normal that from the palace throughout all of Jerusalem there became an uproar and the status quo was challenged they where upset and disturbed the Bible records it as so.

This cutting edge change challenged the normal way!

Jesus's way seems to say one thing to me what we think is normal is not!

What I mean is normally people went to Temple, Observed certain Laws, Rituals and such... Pharisee's and Saduccees and various other sect set and ruled the religious ongoings.

But when Christ came onto the scene things that where normal changed as said earlier how offensive and out of the normal was the cure for sin?

Yes He offended the religious crowd because He went in with the sinners and the publicains and sat down and fellowshipped and ate with them how offensive, how dare this Man be caught with such ungodly and filthy people cried the church, read the Word it has recorded Him as doing such and the reaction as so.

But listen sin...all sin requires something out of the normal to cure it.

How lost, how defiled, how sick, how sinful would eveyone be had not Jesus came and did the abnormal thing?

How lost, how defiled, how sick, how sinful would everyone be had not Jesus came and offended the church and the status quo?

Thank God for offensiveness like this, rtwo said it best:

It's not unethical. It's not immoral or illegal. We're fighting a war for souls. If somebody's feelings get hurt in the process, or someone's delicate sense of rightness with the world is thrown off a touch, so be it.

The Kingdom of God is associated with porn -- in the same way it's associated with drug and alcohol abuse, gambling addictions and other such vices. It is associated because it is by Christ that these bonds are broken. People with addictions often don't want to be addicted. This goes as much for sex and pornography as it does for alchohol or crack. Sites like this aren't so very sneaky ... people who go to them have it in the backs of their heads that they aren't going to see the usual -- and they don't want to. You should see the track record on these guys. Theirs is an amazing deliverance ministry, and they have done much for those in need.

It may be uncomfortable for some -- and that's precisely why they are necessary

Yes It's offensive to some but it's what Jesus would have done that is go to those that are sick and in need of an physican no matter who, what or where they are and no matter what or who thought about Him!

He has proved that once already no matterwhat the church says is normal.

The Kingdom of God is associated with all sin because it is where we all come from and where we all should be reaching out too, to help another just like us to by the Power and Grace of God to come out of!

Change itself can be and usually is offensive to someone!

Doug-E

[None]

I can understand your point, Doug, but Jesus never advertised porn to heal the prostitutes and those addicted to sexual immorality. False advertisement is a form of lying.

[dugmando]

None,

What if you where addicted to internet porn and by chance you happened upon this site and God delivered you through this unorthodox method these guys are using....what would then be your opinion?

You would more than likely be thankful to God for these that have stepped out of what we consider the normal mold of ministry!

Doug-E

[None]

None,

What if you where addicted to internet porn and by chance you happened upon this site and God delivered you through this unorthodox method these guys are using....what would then be your opinion?

You would more than likely be thankful to God for these that have stepped out of what we consider the normal mold of ministry!

Doug-E

I don't propose to know everything but I feel this is wrong. I won't dispute you. Just wanted to throw in my two cents.

[Axxman]

You would have a point -- if they were actually using porn. But they aren't. To me, this is no different than Jesus going to where the sinners were. They're reaching a certain group of the lost by attracting them there first. All they have basically is a website address. People show up, see what it is. Some leave because it's not what they were looking for -- but for many, it is exactly what they were looking for.

If you take a closer look, these guys aren't either. They -are- saying the word "porn", and they are talking frankly about it. But you have to identify and discuss the problem if you want help with it. You can't just hope to avoid the issue. All these guys are doing is bringing it in focus for those for whom it is already a huge problem.

I think that maybe you are not very familiar with these guys. If you just go to there web page...its pretty tame...and not much offensive there. In fact, it seems like they are doing alot of good with that.

However, tell me that when they show up to your church with a 20 foot inflatable phallic symbol in the shape of male genitalia, and place it by the front door.

Have you seen the Wally Awards? The award is a golden statue in the shape of male genitalia. It is given (as a joke) to video game makers who promote scantily clad women in video games. They also show the most erotic, sexy, partially nude imagery in the awards show. BTW...nobody actually goes to the awards show..its just 'for fun.'

Lets not forget that God DOESN"T kill kittens either. Sure its funny if you like to think that God kills kittens...but otherwise its just a really bad idea to put that image of God into young peoples heads.

These guys are doing alot of good by bringing the topic...but I'll quit my church the day they decide its okay to put a 20 foot inflatable "you-know-what" at the door.