The fate of Homosexuals?

[exrockstar]

Paul also tells us not to speculate who will go to heaven and who will go to hell, he says turn our eyes on ourselves in these matters.

Shalom Smalcald,

The OP's question is valid. It is not wrong to ask these questions here.

The question is, does someone in willful sin go to Heaven? The Bible says no.

1 Corinthians 6

9Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[c] 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

im not sure if your understanding Pauls point about righteousness.

[Vickilynn]

Paul also tells us not to speculate who will go to heaven and who will go to hell, he says turn our eyes on ourselves in these matters.

Shalom Smalcald,

The OP's question is valid. It is not wrong to ask these questions here.

The question is, does someone in willful sin go to Heaven? The Bible says no.

1 Corinthians 6

9Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[c] 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

im not sure if your understanding Pauls point about righteousness.

Shalom Ex,

Then, please, enlighten me.

[Press Forward]

Genesis 4:7 NIV

[rfw]

I just read an article today at BP News about a homosexual activist who repented and made Jesus Lord of his life. For every sinner in bondage, this is indeed Good News.

If your uncle is truly in Christ, he will show evidence of repentance. If not, he will reject the very idea that he should repent. You may be the most effective tool in the Lord's hand to lead your uncle to true repentance because you obviously love him, which should drive you to pray for him fervently and effectively.

Jas 5:16 Confess faults to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous one avails much.

Jas 5:17 Elijah was a man of like passion as we are. And he prayed earnestly that it might not rain, and it did not rain on the earth for the time of three years and six months.

Jas 5:18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth caused its fruit to sprout.

Jas 5:19 Brothers, if anyone among you err from the truth, and if anyone turns him back,

Jas 5:20 know that he who turns back the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

[exrockstar]

Paul also tells us not to speculate who will go to heaven and who will go to hell, he says turn our eyes on ourselves in these matters.

Shalom Smalcald,

The OP's question is valid. It is not wrong to ask these questions here.

The question is, does someone in willful sin go to Heaven? The Bible says no.

1 Corinthians 6

9Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[c] 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Aren't we declared "righteous" when we're saved? Isn't salvation a matter of the heart, and not a matter deeds done--or not done?

yep Romans 3:26.

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be

just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

all are unrighteous. doesnt matter if its homosexuality or premarital sex.

one sin makes one unrighteous.

Romans 3:10

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one

[Vickilynn]

Shalom,

The key idea here is that the uncle is still a practicing homosexual, if I understand correctly.

That is unrepented sin. And no, practicing homosexuals will not enter Heaven as I understand the Scriptures. This is because Jesus says:

John 14:

15"If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

John 15

9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.

The key phrase being 'abide." If we are willfully practicing sin, we are not abiding in Jesus, nor are we keeping His commandments. Unrepentant sinners will not be in Heaven, in my understanding of the Scriptures.

[Vickilynn]

Aren't we declared "righteous" when we're saved? Isn't salvation a matter of the heart, and not a matter deeds done--or not done?

Shalom Isaiah,

We are saved by grace through faith. BUT, we are to stop sinning. Paul addresses this in Romans 6. Are we to continue in sin because we are under grace? Heaven forbid! We are to DIE to sin, not continue in it.

We are freed from sin, our "old man" has been crucified. If we choose to continue to sin, we willfully are not abiding in Jesus.

Romans 6

1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life

[exrockstar]

Shalom,

The key idea here is that the uncle is still a practicing homosexual, if I understand correctly.

That is unrepented sin. And no, practicing homosexuals will not enter Heaven as I understand the Scriptures. This is because Jesus says:

John 14:

15"If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

John 15

9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.

The key phrase being 'abide." If we are willfully practicing sin, we are not abiding in Jesus, nor are we keeping His commandments. Unrepentant sinners will not be in Heaven, in my understanding of the Scriptures.

whether you practice homosexuality, had a bad thought or have pre-marital sex...its all the same.

nothing that you do after youve been saved will make you righteous.

all great Christian leaders are unrighteous and theyve turned their lives around.

so to bring up scripture to describe a selected groups is wrong because WE ARE ALL unrighteous.

we have been "declared" but not made nor transformed.

[Smalcald]

Paul also tells us not to speculate who will go to heaven and who will go to hell, he says turn our eyes on ourselves in these matters.

Shalom Smalcald,

The OP's question is valid. It is not wrong to ask these questions here.

The question is, does someone in willful sin go to Heaven? The Bible says no.

1 Corinthians 6

9Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[c] 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Oh, I am sorry Vicki, certainly the OP's question is very valid, that is not really what I meant.

[Smalcald]

How do you know if someone is a "practicing" homosexual? I mean I am not going to ask someone if they are sleeping with their girlfriend, likewise I am not going to ask someone I suspect is gay if they are having sex.

Judgment is a terrible burden, one the Lord has not given us as individual Christians, and we can be thankful for that! So yes pray for your uncle, but just as importantly love him and love him regardless of what you think he may or may not be doing or may or may not have repented of. Christ loved us and loves us, poor miserable sinners no better in God's eyes than a homosexual, but He loved us anyway. Certainly we can do no different.