Family Out of Order

[firehill]

I don't know what passage exrockstar was referring to as he never said I don't believe. And you'll have to explain what you mean by "Jesus a father" as don't know where you're coming from on that one.

Jesus is the Son of God the Father. We are God's children not Christ's. Jesus' had no children. He wasn't a patriarch. Though God wasn't either because he inherited nothing. He is God.

But I do know that in the book of Ezekiel 8 & 9 it speaks of the woman doing just as exrockstar has said,

Ezekiel 8:14--"Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north and behold there sat women weeping for Tamuz."

Okay, but we still don't know for sure.

Now one does have to ask why did the men the leaders allow the women to do this in the house of the Lord.

One has to ask why the women were allowed to WEEP?

Judgment did come on them for all the abominations that they allowed in the Lord's house that you can read in chapters 8 & 9.

You can read in the book of Jeremiah that the woman made vails hanging to their idols and hung them up in the house of the Lord again one would ask where was the leadership of the men in the house of the Lord as God's house had been defiled by what they allowed to come into it.

Ultimately, what does the topic of christian women have to do with idolaters? I don't see the relevance no matter your guess at what passage exrockstar has been refering to this whole time.

[Openly Curious]

'exrockstar'

He got mad at the men for not keeping the house in order.

see the connect?

I CAN SEE THE CONNECT

OC

Really how so? Which passage is exrockstar speaking of and was Jesus a father?

Sounds like the story about Christ chasing the money changers out of the temple. Nothing to do with families or husband and wives.

You are so dead wrong if you think when Jesus chased the money changers out of the temple that that was not about family. As Jesus had approached the temple that day he saw them sitting there and selling the sacrificial animals that was needed to make their offerings up to God and they were doing it for profit.

And as Jesus approached the heart ache that He himself must have had as he saw what they was doing with the sacrificial offerings selling them for profit as He himself stood there as the lamb of God the spotless lamb the sacrificial offering himself that would soon be offered up on the cross to take away the sins of mankind and oh how that must have cut his heart as his anger that was a righteous anger lead him to take a whip and run out the money changers from the temple as Jesus said that they had turned it into a den of thieves robbing the people as they needed those sacrificial animals to make the different kinds of offerings that was required and if one couldn't afford them then one of God's people couldn't take the offerings to the priest on their behalf.

What was going on in the temple had every thing to do with God's people as the priest served at the temple on behalf of God's people His family and they had turned it into a den of thieves.

So I disagree with you on this one

OC

[OopsMartin]

'exrockstar'

He got mad at the men for not keeping the house in order.

see the connect?

I CAN SEE THE CONNECT

OC

Really how so? Which passage is exrockstar speaking of and was Jesus a father?

Sounds like the story about Christ chasing the money changers out of the temple. Nothing to do with families or husband and wives.

You are so dead wrong if you think when Jesus chased the money changers out of the temple that that was not about family. As Jesus had approached the temple that day he saw them sitting there and selling the sacrificial animals that was needed to make their offerings up to God and they were doing it for profit.

And as Jesus approached the heart ache that He himself must have had as he saw what they was doing with the sacrificial offerings selling them for profit as He himself stood there as the lamb of God the spotless lamb the sacrificial offering himself that would soon be offered up on the cross to take away the sins of mankind and oh how that must have cut his heart as his anger that was a righteous anger lead him to take a whip and run out the money changers from the temple as Jesus said that they had turned it into a den of thieves robbing the people as they needed those sacrificial animals to make the different kinds of offerings that was required and if one couldn't afford them then one of God's people couldn't take the offerings to the priest on their behalf.

What was going on in the temple had every thing to do with God's people as the priest served at the temple on behalf of God's people His family and they had turned it into a den of thieves.

So I disagree with you on this one

OC

And this has what? to do with husbands and wives and familes?

[Openly Curious]

'firehill'

Jesus is the Son of God the Father. We are God's children not Christ's. Jesus' had no children. He wasn't a patriarch. Though God wasn't either because he inherited nothing. He is God.

Well yes, firehill this is true but I haven't a clue what it has to do with anything it just sounds like someone who is trying to be confusing.

OC--quote-- But I do know that in the book of Ezekiel 8 & 9 it speaks of the woman doing just as exrockstar has said,

Ezekiel 8:14--"Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north and behold there sat women weeping for Tamuz."

Okay, but we still don't know for sure.

What?

-OC quote--Now one does have to ask why did the men the leaders allow the women to do this in the house of the Lord.

One has to ask why the women were allowed to WEEP?

The women were weeping and praying to Tamuz which was basically a fertility god and they cried out to it in prayer instead of the one and true living God like Hannah did when she was barren she prayed in the temple. But all of this was allowed by the priest to go on in the temple as the priesthood was all males and the temple was defiled by their wickedness.

Ultimately, what does the topic of christian women have to do with idolaters? I don't see the relevance no matter your guess at what passage exrockstar has been refering to this whole time.

First off I made no guesses whatsoever at what scriptures exrockstar was thinking about and I want to make that very clear here. Do you not see unrulyness going on in the house of God in any of this. In the book of 1 Samuel you can read where Eli's two sons Hophni and Phenhas where doing wickedness in the house of God and they were priests in the temple and they was sleeping with the women who came out to the temple and doing all kinds of wickedness you can read about.

The rulers of the temple were males so for any wickedness to go on in the temple it had to be allowed by the priest. And Eli didn't correct his two sons but allowed them to continue to do wicked things and he was judged for it.

You see in God's house there has always been order but if we don't abide by the plan of God both men and women in God's designed order then both the men and women when they come to the house of God will be praying and worshipping who knows what in their hearts and not worshipping God in the manner that He has given to us to follow in His order in the word.

OC

[Openly Curious]

'exrockstar'

He got mad at the men for not keeping the house in order.

see the connect?

I CAN SEE THE CONNECT

OC

Really how so? Which passage is exrockstar speaking of and was Jesus a father?

Sounds like the story about Christ chasing the money changers out of the temple. Nothing to do with families or husband and wives.

You are so dead wrong if you think when Jesus chased the money changers out of the temple that that was not about family. As Jesus had approached the temple that day he saw them sitting there and selling the sacrificial animals that was needed to make their offerings up to God and they were doing it for profit.

And as Jesus approached the heart ache that He himself must have had as he saw what they was doing with the sacrificial offerings selling them for profit as He himself stood there as the lamb of God the spotless lamb the sacrificial offering himself that would soon be offered up on the cross to take away the sins of mankind and oh how that must have cut his heart as his anger that was a righteous anger lead him to take a whip and run out the money changers from the temple as Jesus said that they had turned it into a den of thieves robbing the people as they needed those sacrificial animals to make the different kinds of offerings that was required and if one couldn't afford them then one of God's people couldn't take the offerings to the priest on their behalf.

What was going on in the temple had every thing to do with God's people as the priest served at the temple on behalf of God's people His family and they had turned it into a den of thieves.

So I disagree with you on this one

OC

And this has what? to do with husbands and wives and familes?

Re-read it maybe you'll get it

OC

[Kansasdad]

'firehill'

Jesus is the Son of God the Father. We are God's children not Christ's. Jesus' had no children. He wasn't a patriarch. Though God wasn't either because he inherited nothing. He is God.

Well yes, firehill this is true but I haven't a clue what it has to do with anything it just sounds like someone who is trying to be confusing.

OC--quote-- But I do know that in the book of Ezekiel 8 & 9 it speaks of the woman doing just as exrockstar has said,

Ezekiel 8:14--"Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north and behold there sat women weeping for Tamuz."

Okay, but we still don't know for sure.

What?

-OC quote--Now one does have to ask why did the men the leaders allow the women to do this in the house of the Lord.

One has to ask why the women were allowed to WEEP?

The women were weeping and praying to Tamuz which was basically a fertility god and they cried out to it in prayer instead of the one and true living God like Hannah did when she was barren she prayed in the temple. But all of this was allowed by the priest to go on in the temple as the priesthood was all males and the temple was defiled by their wickedness.

Ultimately, what does the topic of christian women have to do with idolaters? I don't see the relevance no matter your guess at what passage exrockstar has been refering to this whole time.

First off I made no guesses whatsoever at what scriptures exrockstar was thinking about and I want to make that very clear here. Do you not see unrulyness going on in the house of God in any of this. In the book of 1 Samuel you can read where Eli's two sons Hophni and Phenhas where doing wickedness in the house of God and they were priests in the temple and they was sleeping with the women who came out to the temple and doing all kinds of wickedness you can read about.

The rulers of the temple were males so for any wickedness to go on in the temple it had to be allowed by the priest. And Eli didn't correct his two sons but allowed them to continue to do wicked things and he was judged for it.

You see in God's house there has always been order but if we don't abide by the plan of God both men and women in God's designed order then both the men and women when they come to the house of God will be praying and worshipping who knows what in their hearts and not worshipping God in the manner that He has given to us to follow in His order in the word.

OC

It is all part of the bigger picture where scripture supports scripture. This is absolutely relevant to the topic and is an example of exactly what the other verses were talking about.

I also agree that much of the responses are just confusing and seem to have nothing to do with the topic. Thank you for keeping it on track.

God Bless,

K.D.

[OopsMartin]

First off I made no guesses whatsoever at what scriptures exrockstar was thinking about and I want to make that very clear here. Do you not see unrulyness going on in the house of God in any of this. In the book of 1 Samuel you can read where Eli's two sons Hophni and Phenhas where doing wickedness in the house of God and they were priests in the temple and they was sleeping with the women who came out to the temple and doing all kinds of wickedness you can read about.

The rulers of the temple were males so for any wickedness to go on in the temple it had to be allowed by the priest. And Eli didn't correct his two sons but allowed them to continue to do wicked things and he was judged for it.

You see in God's house there has always been order but if we don't abide by the plan of God both men and women in God's designed order then both the men and women when they come to the house of God will be praying and worshipping who knows what in their hearts and not worshipping God in the manner that He has given to us to follow in His order in the word.

OC

It seems you are making huge stretches in trying to relate incidences of women doing wickedness in the Temple of God and there being male Priests whose responsibility it was to keep order.

1. The Temples of worship are not like a home, they are places where all households come to worship.

2. Husbands are not like priests ..... priests and spiritual leaders are called and gifted by God.

3. the wife is not a man's "congregation", neither is the congregation like a "wife" to a pastor.

[Openly Curious]

First off I made no guesses whatsoever at what scriptures exrockstar was thinking about and I want to make that very clear here. Do you not see unrulyness going on in the house of God in any of this. In the book of 1 Samuel you can read where Eli's two sons Hophni and Phenhas where doing wickedness in the house of God and they were priests in the temple and they was sleeping with the women who came out to the temple and doing all kinds of wickedness you can read about.

The rulers of the temple were males so for any wickedness to go on in the temple it had to be allowed by the priest. And Eli didn't correct his two sons but allowed them to continue to do wicked things and he was judged for it.

You see in God's house there has always been order but if we don't abide by the plan of God both men and women in God's designed order then both the men and women when they come to the house of God will be praying and worshipping who knows what in their hearts and not worshipping God in the manner that He has given to us to follow in His order in the word.

OC

It seems you are making huge stretches in trying to relate incidences of women doing wickedness in the Temple of God and there being male Priests whose responsibility it was to keep order.

1. The Temples of worship are not like a home, they are places where all households come to worship.

2. Husbands are not like priests ..... priests and spiritual leaders are called and gifted by God.

3. the wife is not a man's "congregation", neither is the congregation like a "wife" to a pastor.

These are all your carnal essesments and are not factual as I not only mentioned women but also men doing wickedly in the house of God. It was the priest who were appointed by God to run the temple and do the service or office of a priest.

The word declare that if a man knows not how to rule his own household how shall he rule the household of God. That makes the link between our personal homes being in order to the household of God being in order. A man woman and children make up a body called the family.

You are trying to put words into things that was never said or insinuated as I never said the congregation was like a wife to a pastor those are your thoughts alone and they are wrong. #3 above

OC

[Kansasdad]

I found this article which I think is excellent. sorry I don't know the author

God placed the husband at the head of the family to lead, guide and inspire it - not as a dictatorial monster, but as a loving authority whose wife and children are the highest priority of his life. God created marriage when He created Adam and Eve. Neither of the first humans was complete without the other. Together a man and wife become a team - two people, making one new and complete unit. God says of marriage, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh" (Genesis 2:24).

Yet, as in any other facet of life, there has to be leadership. Even in the Family of God, the Father is over Jesus Christ , who is the Son. Christ is subject to God in everything. But they live in perfect harmony and unity. God is the perfect Father and executes His leadership with unfailing love. But does anyone doubt that He is in charge?

Christ is Head of the Church. He presides over it with equally deep concern and love. In fact, the spiritual analogy in the Bible shows that Christ's relationship with the Church will be like a marital relationship. Notice how the Bible describes the coming of Christ: "Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife [the church] has made herself ready' (Revelation 19:7).

The relationship of Christ, in God's Kingdom, to spirit-born saints will be as a husband to a wife. Most of us have no fears of submitting to Christ. We know He is filled with love, that He is not a harsh dictator, that we will have an eternal relationship.

If the husbands would pattern their leadership and loving authority after that of Jesus Christ, women would never feel abused and rejected. Sad to say, throughout most of human history, few men have patterned their relationship after that great example.

But you can.

God Bless,

K.D.

[inhistime]

First off I made no guesses whatsoever at what scriptures exrockstar was thinking about and I want to make that very clear here. Do you not see unrulyness going on in the house of God in any of this. In the book of 1 Samuel you can read where Eli's two sons Hophni and Phenhas where doing wickedness in the house of God and they were priests in the temple and they was sleeping with the women who came out to the temple and doing all kinds of wickedness you can read about.

The rulers of the temple were males so for any wickedness to go on in the temple it had to be allowed by the priest. And Eli didn't correct his two sons but allowed them to continue to do wicked things and he was judged for it.

You see in God's house there has always been order but if we don't abide by the plan of God both men and women in God's designed order then both the men and women when they come to the house of God will be praying and worshipping who knows what in their hearts and not worshipping God in the manner that He has given to us to follow in His order in the word.

OC

It seems you are making huge stretches in trying to relate incidences of women doing wickedness in the Temple of God and there being male Priests whose responsibility it was to keep order.

1. The Temples of worship are not like a home, they are places where all households come to worship.

2. Husbands are not like priests ..... priests and spiritual leaders are called and gifted by God.

3. the wife is not a man's "congregation", neither is the congregation like a "wife" to a pastor.

OopsMartin, this was very well done! And thank you too for trying to bring this back onto the subject. If we were wanting to relate the congregation with the family, then we certainly couldn't relate the priests to the husband since in God's family, God is the Father not the priests. Also in the human family, husband and wife together are the "one-flesh" authority over the children not a progression of levels of authority. Good job Oops!