Family Out of Order

[tsth]

Poor choice of wording on my part then!

(But you know what I was getting at.)

In His Love,

Suzanne

[OopsMartin]

The word that is translated husband in the text can only refer to a man, so we know that while the word translated man could theoretically mean a person, in this case, it does not. It means a male. The word translated husband is aner, and it means a man (pro. as an individual male): fellow, husband, man, sir. With that being the case, everything in Oopsmartin's argument is flawed.

The word translated "husband" in 3:2 must also be read in context before one can properly interpret it with the rest of the chapter. There have been those who have interpreted the "mias gunaikos andra (of one woman man) in three different ways. Some think it means a man must be married. Some think it means he must have only been married once. Some think it means he cannot have more than one wife (polygamy).

Rev. Bruce Fleming in two books has put forth what I believe a more correct interpretation. He quotes Lucien Deiss (notes to the French Bible, the TOB, Edition Integrate, p. 646, note a) "This Greek phrase was used in Asia Minor, on both Jewish and pagan gravestone inscriptions, to designate a woman or a man, who was faithful to his or her spouse in a way characterized by "a particularly fervent conjugal love"." I believe he may have illustrated for us all where we got the colloquial phrase "he is a one woman kind of guy" or "she is a one man kind of woman". And the meaning is clearly: to be "faithful".

Thus if we properly read Pauls words he is not stating that he is only addressing men. Verse one is addressing "anyone", not "any man". Pistos ho logos ei tis episcopes oregetai

[OopsMartin]

Just as a sidenote question:

What do YOU think is the main element that most families of this culture are missing? If you thought about it? What is most lacking?

(Now keep in mind that 85% of Americans are claiming to be Christians, so you can't say God, even though that's an obvious given. )

But if you had to answer in regard to a society, what has been missing in the family?

In His Love,

Suzanne

Families without strong leaders willing to follow God's commands end up wandering in the wilderness. . .

Great question Suzanne, and good answer Biblicist. But I think we need more than that.

Families need men who will defend their families in everyday issues and not just when danger arrives. We all know men are strong and will stand in front of wife and children when there is danger. That can come in many forms. When a father sees his son or daughter is in need of instruction, emotional support, male companionship, etc. that is a different kind of danger that fathers should step up to and protect their children. It is unfortunate that our era is so money challenged that we pigeon hole the fathers into that almost exclusively.

Families need women who will nurture husband and children by supporting them physically and emotionally in all their endeavers. Children need to learn mutual respect and sometimes women can do that better only because todays fathers are excessively involved in work.

Ultimately, families need parents who are present and involved in their childrens lives. And children need to develop attitudes exhibiting honor, respect and integrity which can be mirrored to them by husbands and wives who honor and respect one another.

The world needs to see families who really love each other with godly love so that we can more likely be releasing the next generation of individuals who have healthy self images and energy to pursue their biggest dreams. We need to encourage people to trust God so that God doesn't have to spend half a persons life cleaning up and healing the mess the family made before God can use that person to their fullest capacity.

[Guest Biblicist]

Just as a sidenote question:

What do YOU think is the main element that most families of this culture are missing? If you thought about it? What is most lacking?

(Now keep in mind that 85% of Americans are claiming to be Christians, so you can't say God, even though that's an obvious given. )

But if you had to answer in regard to a society, what has been missing in the family?

In His Love,

Suzanne

Families without strong leaders willing to follow God's commands end up wandering in the wilderness. . .

Great question Suzanne, and good answer Biblicist. But I think we need more than that.

Families need men who will defend their families in everyday issues and not just when danger arrives. We all know men are strong and will stand in front of wife and children when there is danger. That can come in many forms. When a father sees his son or daughter is in need of instruction, emotional support, male companionship, etc. that is a different kind of danger that fathers should step up to and protect their children. It is unfortunate that our era is so money challenged that we pigeon hole the fathers into that almost exclusively.

Families need women who will nurture husband and children by supporting them physically and emotionally in all their endeavers. Children need to learn mutual respect and sometimes women can do that better only because todays fathers are excessively involved in work.

Ultimately, families need parents who are present and involved in their childrens lives. And children need to develop attitudes exhibiting honor, respect and integrity which can be mirrored to them by husbands and wives who honor and respect one another.

The world needs to see families who really love each other with godly love so that we can more likely be releasing the next generation of individuals who have healthy self images and energy to pursue their biggest dreams. We need to encourage people to trust God so that God doesn't have to spend half a persons life cleaning up and healing the mess the family made before God can use that person to their fullest capacity.

What's this?

I actually agree with you oops! Guess it was bound to happen since we serve the same Saviour!

[OopsMartin]

What's this?

I actually agree with you oops! Guess it was bound to happen since we serve the same Saviour!

Actually, there are tons of things we agree upon. We just haven't been talking about them lately.

[Guest Biblicist]

What's this?

I actually agree with you oops! Guess it was bound to happen since we serve the same Saviour!

Actually, there are tons of things we agree upon. We just haven't been talking about them lately.

Maybe we should find a thread we agree on so we can meet in the middle!

[tsth]

Actually, I've mentioned this passage before, but you can't ever focus on Scripture too much!

I find these passages particularly important for TODAY'S culture:

Malachi 4:1 "Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire," says the Lord Almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left to them. 2 But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall. 3 Then you will trample down the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I do these things," says the Lord Almighty.

4 "Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel. 5 "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."

Pretty Serious!

In His Love,

Suzanne

[OopsMartin]

What's this?

I actually agree with you oops! Guess it was bound to happen since we serve the same Saviour!

Actually, there are tons of things we agree upon. We just haven't been talking about them lately.

Maybe we should find a thread we agree on so we can meet in the middle!

Well, OK. So are you charismatic or cessationist..... Calvinist, reformed???

I'm a mostly Reformed , four point Calvinist, Charismatic, non cessationist, part Baptist (but mostly non denominational in preference), evangelical, creed-reciting ,liturgically minded, philsophical, Christian scholar of the Scriptures who strongly believes in complementarity.

How's that? Find anything interesting there.

How about.... are you interested in defining the Godhead according to the Athenasian Creed and sorting on the undefineable. But let's not talk about revelations because I'm only interested in the first three chapters and the last few chapters that describe heaven.

[Guest Biblicist]

Well, OK. So are you charismatic or cessationist..... Calvinist, reformed???

I'm a mostly Reformed , four point Calvinist, Charismatic, non cessationist, part Baptist (but mostly non denominational in preference), evangelical, creed-reciting ,liturgically minded, philsophical, Christian scholar of the Scriptures who strongly believes in complementarity.

How's that? Find anything interesting there.

How about.... are you interested in defining the Godhead according to the Athenasian Creed and sorting on the undefineable. But let's not talk about revelations because I'm only interested in the first three chapters and the last few chapters that describe heaven.

I'm Reformed Baptist, Calvinist, Evangelical, Christian scholar of the Scriptures. So there you have it, we do agree on some things.

Not sure about the rest though. Gonna have to look it up!

[OopsMartin]

Well, OK. So are you charismatic or cessationist..... Calvinist, reformed???

I'm a mostly Reformed , four point Calvinist, Charismatic, non cessationist, part Baptist (but mostly non denominational in preference), evangelical, creed-reciting ,liturgically minded, philsophical, Christian scholar of the Scriptures who strongly believes in complementarity.

How's that? Find anything interesting there.

How about.... are you interested in defining the Godhead according to the Athenasian Creed and sorting on the undefineable. But let's not talk about revelations because I'm only interested in the first three chapters and the last few chapters that describe heaven.

I'm Reformed Baptist, Calvinist, Evangelical, Christian scholar of the Scriptures. So there you have it, we do agree on some things.

Not sure about the rest though. Gonna have to look it up!

OH there's probably more than that we can agree upon.

Aloha Nui sister in Christ!