Women pastors

[MeCajunboy]

Is the topic of women being pastors, elders, deacons or teachers something that is forbidden to be discussed on this board? I have done many searches and all the threads on this issue seem to have been closed for various reasons. I cannot believe that this is a topic that no one is interested in, especially by the number of posts in those closed threads. So what gives? If people are not able to discuss this issue calmly and lovingly then would that not be a reflection on the person themselves rather than the topic? I understand that any Christian discussion board would want to prevent profanity and abuse, but I cannot believe that any Christian would be in favor of the censorship of the discussion of ideas. If that it the case then I guess I will continue my journey in search of a Christian board which holds dear the concepts of free speech and thought.

The problem is that the subject is very contentious and opinions seem to be very polarised so there is little room for agreement, thus threads on the topic tend to become unpleasant quarrels instead of informative debates. And I take my full share of resposibility for that happening and repent of it, and ask the Lord's forgiveness for all my hasty and unkind words. My impression is that threads on the topic ARE allowed, (and please correct me if I am wrong, mods) but when they descend into vain quarrels, the mods rightly close them down because they are not glorifying to our Lord Jesus.

In Jesus,

Ruth

Cajunboy:::::That's all fine and good Ruth, but wouldn't it be easier just to quote the Bible here instead of we Christians' venting our opinions. For Instance, Although it is very clear that women are not to "preach" behind the pulpit, I'm quite sure God has no problem with women "teaching" others as in a teaching vocation of God's word or simply with thier children. Teaching others in a "teaching" format or invironment would not be much different than sharing with their children the "Word Of God!"

Blessings

Cajunboy

[MeCajunboy]

I confess!!! I used to watch Joyce Meyer's program faithfully. I attended a conference and really wasn't all that impressed. At the time I thought there was something maybe wrong in my spirit...some hardening in my heart. Then God opened my eyes. One problem is that it's "her ministry".

You might also want to look at this website (now let's see if I can actually get this to work )

www.ministrywatch.com

It's interesting information.

Cajunboy::::Sorry dear heart but I have to disagree earnestly. If anyone can't see that Joyce Meyer has a mission from HIM MOST HIGH, then they simply aren't listening carefully to her message. She deals with the simplist matters of life, the heart and God's commands and then applies them to our every day life. And I truly can't see why the few here are so against that. Fact is if God didn't need or want her there.......she wouldn't be and .......she wouldn't be so successful with her calling. I would much rather have my children learn from some of Joyce Meyer's books than some of the books that my children have come home with from school. But then agan, That's yet for another topic!

[TheWarOnError]

I guess I'm blessed. Not only am I blessed with a home ministry, but my wife enjoys my leadership and teaching through the Holy Spirit. She encourages me and loves to hear me speak about the word of the Lord. Near as I can tell, so do my children. The responsibility to preach and teach she has left up to me.

I do pray for those who have to deal with these kinds of issues though.

TWOE

[firehill]

If the words meant what you say, then they obviously would have been translated to clearly say that. Not a single translation of the Bible has been translated to mean what you and firehill are saying.

The words DO mean what they say. It

[firehill]

Women pastors are a mockery of Christ

I may be pressing the issue here, but I would like to know what you base this on. In what way to female shepards mock Christ. Do you have a Scripture for that?

I don't think so Oops. I'd like to know his answer also.

[OopsMartin]

Women pastors are a mockery of Christ

I may be pressing the issue here, but I would like to know what you base this on. In what way to female shepards mock Christ. Do you have a Scripture for that?

Ezekiel 22

29The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.

30And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.

God has always looked for a man to be an intercessor. It's a man.

knowing some people here theyre going to nit pick it and say mankind. geeez...lol

Correct interpretation isn't nitpicking. It's not about men as in males. God looks about for anyone who is willing.

While God has places for male strengths, when it's about serving God's Will and Purposes via the anointing of the Holy Spirit, the human flesh does not reign. God's first three leaders were two men and one woman. Deborah a Prophet of God was a Judge of the Nation for 40 years and brought peace to the nation. Huldah a renowned Prophet of God gave advice to the king that changed the nation around back to God. And Huldah was sought when Jeremiah and Zechariah were both alive.

Did it never occur to you that if 1 Tim. actually meant that it was sinful for women to teach and lead men based on who came first, that God would never have chosen any of the several anointed women in the OT. After all God was there when He created the first man. God would know His own "rules". But that isn't the way it went down, and it is impossible for Paul to have meant that.

BESIDES WHICH you did not show where a woman pastor would be mocking Christ. I have heard a similar idea in Catholicism which is just as crazy though. And that was the idea that women shouldn't serve communion because Christ was male. This is how nutsy we get when we do not glean our ideas from Scripture, but from any notion that pops into our head.

[OopsMartin]

I guess I'm blessed. Not only am I blessed with a home ministry, but my wife enjoys my leadership and teaching through the Holy Spirit. She encourages me and loves to hear me speak about the word of the Lord. Near as I can tell, so do my children. The responsibility to preach and teach she has left up to me.

I do pray for those who have to deal with these kinds of issues though.

TWOE

Yes, you are indeed blessed in that you're interested in doing that. But that isn't what the thread is about. Even those husbands who have wives who like to lead home Bible studies for the family, that doesn't make them a pastor. And a husband and father who leads home Bible studies isn't a pastor either. It makes him a good father who likes to study the Bible with His family.

[exrockstar]

Women pastors are a mockery of Christ

I may be pressing the issue here, but I would like to know what you base this on. In what way to female shepards mock Christ. Do you have a Scripture for that?

Ezekiel 22

29The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.

30And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.

God has always looked for a man to be an intercessor. It's a man.

knowing some people here theyre going to nit pick it and say mankind. geeez...lol

Correct interpretation isn't nitpicking. It's not about men as in males. God looks about for anyone who is willing.

While God has places for male strengths, when it's about serving God's Will and Purposes via the anointing of the Holy Spirit, the human flesh does not reign. God's first three leaders were two men and one woman. Deborah a Prophet of God was a Judge of the Nation for 40 years and brought peace to the nation. Huldah a renowned Prophet of God gave advice to the king that changed the nation around back to God. And Huldah was sought when Jeremiah and Zechariah were both alive.

Did it never occur to you that if 1 Tim. actually meant that it was sinful for women to teach and lead men based on who came first, that God would never have chosen any of the several anointed women in the OT. After all God was there when He created the first man. God would know His own "rules". But that isn't the way it went down, and it is impossible for Paul to have meant that.

BESIDES WHICH you did not show where a woman pastor would be mocking Christ. I have heard a similar idea in Catholicism which is just as crazy though. And that was the idea that women shouldn't serve communion because Christ was male. This is how nutsy we get when we do not glean our ideas from Scripture, but from any notion that pops into our head.

I think you are confusing God's will to carry out an action, and using it to justify your position, that youre violating scripture.

1. Deborah was not a high priest nor did she sacrifice in behalf of anyone. Lapidoth her husband did.

you see, no one is saying that God only commands men to do things. However, Deborah led an army. She did

not come to God and represent the army by commiting any acts that a high priest would do. Youre trying to say that and

use that story to justify your violation on scripture. thats really reaching it.

and by all means use your concordance to look up "man" Eze 22:30

can some one help Oops please in case he doesnt have a concordance?

[TheWarOnError]

I guess I'm blessed. Not only am I blessed with a home ministry, but my wife enjoys my leadership and teaching through the Holy Spirit. She encourages me and loves to hear me speak about the word of the Lord. Near as I can tell, so do my children. The responsibility to preach and teach she has left up to me.

I do pray for those who have to deal with these kinds of issues though.

TWOE

Yes, you are indeed blessed in that you're interested in doing that. But that isn't what the thread is about. Even those husbands who have wives who like to lead home Bible studies for the family, that doesn't make them a pastor. And a husband and father who leads home Bible studies isn't a pastor either. It makes him a good father who likes to study the Bible with His family.

You said bible study, I didn't. I said ministry, We hold a sabbath service every week.

[TheWarOnError]

By the way, we hold a bible study as well, and it never sounds like this thread

Proverbs 13:9-10

9 The light of the righteous shines brightly,

but the lamp of the wicked is snuffed out.

10 Pride only breeds quarrels,

but wisdom is found in those who take advice.