Women pastors

[OopsMartin]

ahhh I like your response martin. I am single and have been ...I never ever believed a woman shouls be without a covering and I amnot talking about a hatand yes Jesus Our father is our covering but I believe in accountability to a man. We all need accountability but let us face it, It is brutal out there. I most certainly see things differently than a man and most woman do, God made us that way to COMPLEMENT each other When a woman marries a pastor God sees them as one. As he saw adam and evev as adam.

I called my paster one night after much prayer and trying to make sure what I was hearing was correct. Jesus was showing me that a young woman was after him... A very strong seducing spirit in her. When I spoke to his wife and began to tell her she just put the phone down and called him. Apparantly she saw the same thing but he did not belive her. Not knowing what was going on in the house what I was saying was a confirmation. He asked what do we do now People were very much involve with her problems. Either pray for her to leave or cast out the demon. when we began to pray we ask for a admission of jesus' kingship in the persons life. She could not say the name of Jesus. She left on her own accord.

If a man in my congregation sees something in another man I am more apt to believe him than my own emotions

We all need each other and I cannot believe how petty things become amongst the brethren and even in the but have you ever been ata board meeting.....hahahaha shame on us.

well anyway I have my favorit men and women vehicles of the Holy spirit. I do not like gender name chang thoiugh for one simple reason THERE THREE NON CHRISTIAN GROUPS TRYING TO REMOVE ANY GENDER FROM THE WORD OF GOD.

Ruach certainly was part of the o.t. Even David prayed for our father not to take the Holy Spirit from him.

remember his eye is on the sparrow

love patrish

Yes, Patrish, Christ is our covering. And accountability is important. This is why the "allelon" verses as I call them..... these were put together by Gordon Fee......

In the early church everything was done allelon ("oneanother").

They were members of one another (Rom 12:5;Eph 4:25),

who were to build up one another (1Thess 5:11;Rom 14:19),

care for one another (1Cor 12:25),

love one another (1Thess 3:12; 4:9; Rom 13:8; 1John passim),

bear with one another in love (Eph 4:2),

bear one another's burdens (Gal 6:2),

be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving one another (Eph 4:32),

submit to one another (Eph 5:21),

consider one another better than themselves (Phil 2:3),

be devoted to one another in love (Rom 12:10),

and live in harmony with one another (Rom12:16).

[firehill]

Yes, the same Holy Spirit fell on the Hebrew people. Hannah is an interesting thought. The way things are worded differently in the O.T. it could be very well that she was exercising a gift of the H.S.

The gifts of the Spirit were given to the Body in Christ's resurrection. The difference between the OT prophets and the New Testament saints is that the Spirit did not indwell the prophets. We can only have access to the indwelling Spirit by virtue of Christ's death and resurrection.

I agree. The Holy Spirit baptism we experience is like being dunked and permeated in the Holy Spirit. And it is availble to all believers to experience unlike only a select few of the O.T.

[EricH]

Yes, the same Holy Spirit fell on the Hebrew people. Hannah is an interesting thought. The way things are worded differently in the O.T. it could be very well that she was exercising a gift of the H.S.

The gifts of the Spirit were given to the Body in Christ's resurrection. The difference between the OT prophets and the New Testament saints is that the Spirit did not indwell the prophets. We can only have access to the indwelling Spirit by virtue of Christ's death and resurrection.

I agree. The Holy Spirit baptism we experience is like being dunked and permeated in the Holy Spirit. And it is availble to all believers to experience unlike only a select few of the O.T.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit occurs at the moment of salvation. It is the experience of all believers, not just a few

[patricia1]

Yes, the same Holy Spirit fell on the Hebrew people. Hannah is an interesting thought. The way things are worded differently in the O.T. it could be very well that she was exercising a gift of the H.S.

The gifts of the Spirit were given to the Body in Christ's resurrection. The difference between the OT prophets and the New Testament saints is that the Spirit did not indwell the prophets. We can only have access to the indwelling Spirit by virtue of Christ's death and resurrection.

I agree. The Holy Spirit baptism we experience is like being dunked and permeated in the Holy Spirit. And it is availble to all believers to experience unlike only a select few of the O.T.

I agree as well, as for the person who asked about husband/wife ministries> They are seen as one entire person. Yet seperate relationship wise to Jesus.

[firehill]

5. The SPIRITUAL GIFTS are not Gender Divided

[patricia1]

5. The SPIRITUAL GIFTS are not Gender Divided

[OopsMartin]

The baptism of the Holy Spirit occurs at the moment of salvation. It is the experience of all believers, not just a few

All believers are sealed by the Holy Spirit. Whether or not there is a second experience of filling is debateable and not the subject of this thread. Let's not use that as a nit picker.

[patricia1]

The baptism of the Holy Spirit occurs at the moment of salvation. It is the experience of all believers, not just a few

All believers are sealed by the Holy Spirit. Whether or not there is a second experience of filling is debateable and not the subject of this thread. Let's not use that as a nit picker.

You do not know how hard it was for me to get over my sympathies for the Holy Spirit being stuck in this wretched body....I laugh about it now but it tormented me. Silly hnh?

[OopsMartin]

The baptism of the Holy Spirit occurs at the moment of salvation. It is the experience of all believers, not just a few

All believers are sealed by the Holy Spirit. Whether or not there is a second experience of filling is debateable and not the subject of this thread. Let's not use that as a nit picker.

You do not know how hard it was for me to get over my sympathies for the Holy Spirit being stuck in this wretched body....I laugh about it now but it tormented me. Silly hnh?

Same for all of us. We are not worthy. Only Christ is worthy.

[Ovedya]

It occurs to me that many of us in the modern era read into the Bible according to our established paradigms. Some of us appear to have trouble understanding the limitation that the Bible places upon women in asserting authority over and teaching a man, because we are viewing the Bible through the modern paradigm rather than attempting to understand the established Biblical model.

In the modern era it is common among the meetings of the local churches to hear a message preached about salvation regularly. The modern church therefore views the meeting of the church to have two aspects: That of preaching the gospel to the unsaved among the congregation and that of delivering a somewhat simple discourse to the already saved (It is "simple" with respect to the content, so as not to confuse the unlearned. Granted that this is a generalization, but typically mid-week Bible studies are common from those who seek to get into the deeper matters of the the Bible).

So when we come to the subject of "pastorship" and women, and the Bible, we hear that women should not teach and, in the application of the modern paradigm, assume that this prohibition includes the preaching of the Gospel. However, in the first century church the preaching of the gospel did not typically take place in the gathering of the saints. In 1 Corinthians 14 there is actually no such message conveyed in the meetings of the church.

I think that it's important for us all to note that women in the Bible are given a great amount of credence and responsibility. We should not minimize the roles that many women of the Bible have been inspired to take. We would never prohibit any person on the basis of gender from the preaching of the Gospel of Christ. However, when we look at the Bible we see that there is a very clear differentiation between the practicing of the gifts, in the preaching of the gospel, and in the cutting straight the truth and delivering the teachings of the orthodox church. There is also a very clear order which God has placed in the church, and in the homes. Therefore we must not seek to subvert or displace the Bible's very clear teachings with regard to the proper roles and functions of the members of the Body, in their practice and in their proper order, simply because our modern practices vary.