Women pastors

[firehill]

Just passing on information. I have no intentions of trying to sway someones opinion about this issue. I doubt I have the power, only God through the Holy Spirit can reveal the true meaning of His word to those that are open.

Peace,

Amanda

Yep. As long as the Holy Spirit reveals what you want him to reveal everything is cool. Let's just not bother with that bad old sexist Bible since it really doesn't conform to your agenda. After all, the "true meaning" of His word has been revealed to you. Isn't that sort of like Manicheism?

sw

The bible isn't sexist. It doesn't say what you claim it does. Male domination is the agenda. So relax, sw. Tradition is an argument from nothing.

[firehill]

The word of God is good. There are no laws against what is good which includes teaching God's word by anyone.

[st. Worm]

Just passing on information. I have no intentions of trying to sway someones opinion about this issue. I doubt I have the power, only God through the Holy Spirit can reveal the true meaning of His word to those that are open.

Peace,

Amanda

Yep. As long as the Holy Spirit reveals what you want him to reveal everything is cool. Let's just not bother with that bad old sexist Bible since it really doesn't conform to your agenda. After all, the "true meaning" of His word has been revealed to you. Isn't that sort of like Manicheism?

sw

The bible isn't sexist. It doesn't say what you claim it does. Male domination is the agenda. So relax, sw. Tradition is an argument from nothing.

The biblical arguments against women pastors have been made here several times. You choose to ignore them. Tradition merely supports what God's Word already says in the matter.

sw

[Rumple]

Didn't King David dance about blowing kisses while worshiping God? Granted he was alone and not in a corporate setting...

And didn't Michal, his wife, take offence and remind him that he should be seemly?

Give me another verse from the Bible that speaks about dancing..........

Ruth

And she was both rebuked and punished. As for David he was humbling himself before all to glorify God. Regardless of what we may or may not think David's heart before God and that is the more important than any letter of the law.

[Rumple]

Didn't King David dance about blowing kisses while worshiping God? Granted he was alone and not in a corporate setting...

And didn't Michal, his wife, take offence and remind him that he should be seemly?

Give me another verse from the Bible that speaks about dancing..........

Ruth

"And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances." Ex 15:20

[Rumple]

It is our new nature in Christ to be demonstrative beofre the Lord in Worship. It is a command. We read in Psalms distinct commands to worship with joy. The word for "joy" means spinning wildly in exuberance and dance. If God does it over us, then the least we can do is rejoice in the same way before Him. It has nothing to do with personality. It has everything to d0po with obedience. God expects it from each one of His kids, personality or not.

A child doesn't hold back his joy upon seeing his daddy come home from a hard day's work. Neither should we withold our joy in His presence. He doesn't withold Himself!

If a shy person can go to a football game and hoot and holler for his or her team, that same shy person needs to hoot and holler for Jesus. He loves it and revels in it.

Amen! The sum total of our being belongs to Him and needs to be given back without restraint.

"But who am I, and what is my people, that we should be able to offer so willingly after this sort? for all things come of thee, and of thine own have we given thee." I Chron 29:14

[st. Worm]

It is our new nature in Christ to be demonstrative beofre the Lord in Worship. It is a command. We read in Psalms distinct commands to worship with joy. The word for "joy" means spinning wildly in exuberance and dance. If God does it over us, then the least we can do is rejoice in the same way before Him. It has nothing to do with personality. It has everything to d0po with obedience. God expects it from each one of His kids, personality or not.

A child doesn't hold back his joy upon seeing his daddy come home from a hard day's work. Neither should we withold our joy in His presence. He doesn't withold Himself!

If a shy person can go to a football game and hoot and holler for his or her team, that same shy person needs to hoot and holler for Jesus. He loves it and revels in it.

Amen! The sum total of our being belongs to Him and needs to be given back without restraint.

"But who am I, and what is my people, that we should be able to offer so willingly after this sort? for all things come of thee, and of thine own have we given thee." I Chron 29:14

Well so much for Paul's New Testament instruction for orderly worship. But if you want a good example of excessive celebratory worship, check out the golden calf episode. A great time was had by all (for awhile at least).

sw

[HAZARD]

Hi all.

In the gospel there were several woman messengers who proclaimed the good news (Matt. 28:1-10; Luke 24:9-11; John 4:28-30; 20:16-18). In Acts we have a prediction that God will pour out of His Spirit in the last days "UPON ALL FLESH; and your sons and DAUGHTERS shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; and upon my servants and upon my HANDMAIDENS I will pour out of my Spirit and they will prophesy." Prophesying is explained in 1 Cor. 14:3-4 as "speaking unto MEN to edification and exhortation and comfort." Thats preaching, teaching, praying, in anyones language. and God says He will pour out His Spirit upon men and WOMEN to enable them to do this!

These following passages prove to any unbiased mind that prophesying is for the church which has men and WOMEN members (1 Cor. 12:1-13; 14:1-6, 12, 24-26, 29-33).

In Acts 21:8-9 we read Philip had four daughters that did prophecy or preach in the early church.

In Romans 16 we have Phebe, Priscilla, Mary Junia, Tryphosa, Persis, all female names, women mentioned as laborers in the gospel.

In Phil. 4:2-3 we have Euodias and Syntyche, two women who are emntioned as leaders in the local church at Philippi. They are refered to as "those WOMEN which labored with me in the Gospel."

Paul speakes of the Corinthian women prophesying and praying in church (1 Cor. 11:4; 14:1-5, 23-26).

When paul said for women to "keep silence in the church" he was not speaking of women prophesying or praying, but he referred to asking their husbands certain things at church. He said, "If they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home" and not in the church (1 Cor. 14:34-35). But that they could speak and prophecy and pray in church is clear from 1 Cor. 11:4; 14:3-4, 23-26; and Acts 2:16-21.

Women have been used in all ages by God, Read (Ex. 15:20; Judges 4:4; 2 Kings 22:14; 2 Chron. 34:22; Neh. 6:14; Isa. 8:3; Luke 1:39-56; 2:36). I believe God is soverign and He can use a woman if and when He pleases.

[Ovedya]

AGAIN: Neither prophesying nor preaching the gospel are forbidden by women. Specifically, teaching is.

This is being examined through the "tinted glasses" of modern-era practices, not through the lenses of the functioning first century church!

[Rumple]

Yes we are commanded to shout to the Lord.

Shalom FA,

We are not commanded to dance and whip around and all sorts of stuff in the assembly. We can worship the L-rd in our own private time. You are adding to Scripture. Paul sets down that worship is orderly.

God's order to the orderly, not man's. If God says jump, ask how high on the way up! If God says shout then the walls of Jericho may falll again.