Are we digging to deep?

[Treasure]

I read a church sign recently that said "don't be so open minded that your brain falls out".

I'm gonna take the chance on looking ignorant and ask a question. Everyone keeps talking about "the OP". Can someone clue me in?

[buckthesystem]

I think that the traditional Freudian approach to psychology is almost dangerous in its stupidity.

Freud was one of the biggest scam artists of the time and caused so many dollars to be wasted on researching meaningless rubbish and so many people to get stressed by believing the weirdest theories, agonising about them, ignoring other people because they became entirely self-centred, and wasting many hours trying to reconcile Freud's theories with their own lives.

These ideas also caused a lot of money to be squandered on a lot of people who were convinced they were superior to others and sat back in luxury while writing papers that would ruin peoples' lives.

However, I also believe that there is definitely a place for good Christian psychiatric counselling in society and there is definitely a place for psychiatric drugs. I just think we have to be so careful where children are concerned and make sure that children are not overprescribed antidepressants and tranquilisers, as seems to be the trend today.

Various forms of antidepressents and anti-psychosis drugs have done wonders for adults though. But for proper counselling, I think that Christ is practically an essential ingredient. We are all weak psychologically and we can't really achieve much without Christ helping us.

[Guest Biblicist]

PSYCHOLOGY

are we digging to deep into our own minds?

do you think god wanted us to be going so far into ourselves? if so why is there never a conclusion?

people may see a psychiatrist but there is never a cure only discussion? or medication but thats not a cure!!!!

does anyone else think its too dangerous to open a human mind?

I try not to think about it.

lol Good answer.

Let me say this. Good counseling and therapy that is Christ-centered, can go a long way to helping resolve conflicts in our lives. Jeremiah observed that nobody can know their own heart. While I believe this to be true, I also believe that the Holy Spirit within us can lead us to possessing a "sound mind" when our inner conflicts are realized and dealt with.

Amen, Marnie!

[EricH]

(Off the subject)

But, have you ever noticed that there is NO reference to mental illness in the Scriptures?

In His Love,

Suzanne

That could be because they had no frame of reference form which to diagnose. Cancer, heart attacks, and the common cold are not mentioned as well.

[Marnie]

I think that the traditional Freudian approach to psychology is almost dangerous in its stupidity.

Yeah, Freud did a lot of damage to be sure, but not nearly as much damage as his disciples are causing. Some of what he said was good; much wasn't. It doesn't always come down to bad toilet training, yet people do behave the way they do for reasons.

[EricH]

I think that the traditional Freudian approach to psychology is almost dangerous in its stupidity.

Yeah, Freud did a lot of damage to be sure, but not nearly as much damage as his disciples are causing. Some of what he said was good; much wasn't. It doesn't always come down to bad toilet training, yet people do behave the way they do for reasons.

The sons of the prophets are always more dangerous

[Kidtek]

(Off the subject)

But, have you ever noticed that there is NO reference to mental illness in the Scriptures?

In His Love,

Suzanne

You are wrong the scriptures are full of information on mental illness.

Deu 28:28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:

Ecc 1:17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit. (**My favorite**)

Ecc 2:12 And I turned myself to behold wisdom, and madness, and folly: for what [can] the man [do] that cometh after the king? [even] that which hath been already done.

Ecc 7:25 I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason [of things], and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness [and] madness:

Ecc 9:3 This [is] an evil among all [things] that are done under the sun, that [there is] one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness [is] in their heart while they live, and after that [they go] to the dead.

Ecc 10:13 The beginning of the words of his mouth [is] foolishness: and the end of his talk [is] mischievous madness.

Zec 12:4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

Luk 6:11 And they were filled with madness; and communed one with another what they might do to Jesus.

2Pe 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

[tsth]

Everyone keeps talking about "the OP". Can someone clue me in?

It stands for "Original Poster", it's referring to the person who started the topic.

(Off the subject)

But, have you ever noticed that there is NO reference to mental illness in the Scriptures?

In His Love,

Suzanne

You are wrong the scriptures are full of information on mental illness.

Deu 28:28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:

Ecc 1:17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit. (**My favorite**)

Ecc 2:12 And I turned myself to behold wisdom, and madness, and folly: for what [can] the man [do] that cometh after the king? [even] that which hath been already done.

Ecc 7:25 I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason [of things], and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness [and] madness:

Ecc 9:3 This [is] an evil among all [things] that are done under the sun, that [there is] one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness [is] in their heart while they live, and after that [they go] to the dead.

Ecc 10:13 The beginning of the words of his mouth [is] foolishness: and the end of his talk [is] mischievous madness.

Zec 12:4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

Luk 6:11 And they were filled with madness; and communed one with another what they might do to Jesus.

2Pe 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

Yes, but it is not referenced as an "illness", as it is today. It looks to me in regard to how it is referenced in Scriptures, to be the outward manifestations of a "spiritual" condition, rather than an illness.

If you look at the reference in the above Ecc. 9:3, it is a reference of a heart condition, rather than an illness.

Actually in my above post, what I meant was, that in the NT, there is no reference to Jesus healing anyone with a mental illness. He healed spiritual conditions, but not mental illness.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[tsth]

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Ec 1:17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.

Ec 2:12 And I turned myself to behold wisdom, and madness, and folly: for what can the man do that cometh after the king? even that which hath been already done.

Ec 7:25 I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness:

Ec 9:3 This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.

The above reference "heart" and "spirit" conditions.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Iryssa]

The truth is, there's a lot that psychologists don't understand about the supernatural and its connection with the human brain (those that even acknowledge the supernatural in the first place). There's also a lot we Christians don't understand.

I'm quite fascinated by the study of psychology and psycholoogical conditions...I think any Christian who gets into these studies can take a reasonable approach to them and acknowledge that there IS a connection, and sometimes, yes, spiritual attack does manifest itself in what appears to be a psychological condition, but that our bodies themselves are also fragile things that sometimes end up with chemical imbalances and the like.