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It seems Fred Phelps uses the Bible to defend his views, and I'm postulating there are (secret) Fred Phelps sympathizers out there, possibly on this board.

I'm not sure if I can link the website, but if you Google "Westboro Baptist Church", you'll find it.

They have a pamphlet on their website titled "God Loves Everyone - The Greatest Lie Ever Told". Interesting read.

- Well, basically, it's an outline of God killing lots of people for disobedience.

But the same God also gave up Jesus because He so loved the world, which I imagined was full of sin. God was grieved for creating mankind, yet He didn't give up on us.

The OT God and NT God seem quite different. I know God doesn't change, but if He took many lives for their sins in the past, then why wouldn't He want homosexuals killed these days?

I know believing that Jesus died for our sins, walking humbly with God, and caring for others are enough for salvation, but FP's interpretation of the Bible seems logical. Why WOULDN'T God punish America for tolerating homosexuality?

So do you agree, disagree, or partially agree with FP?

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I hadn't even heard of him before this post.


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It seems Fred Phelps uses the Bible to defend his views, and I'm postulating there are (secret) Fred Phelps sympathizers out there, possibly on this board.

I'm not sure if I can link the website, but if you Google "Westboro Baptist Church", you'll find it.

They have a pamphlet on their website titled "God Loves Everyone - The Greatest Lie Ever Told". Interesting read.

- Well, basically, it's an outline of God killing lots of people for disobedience.

But the same God also gave up Jesus because He so loved the world, which I imagined was full of sin. God was grieved for creating mankind, yet He didn't give up on us.

The OT God and NT God seem quite different. I know God doesn't change, but if He took many lives for their sins in the past, then why wouldn't He want homosexuals killed these days?

I know believing that Jesus died for our sins, walking humbly with God, and caring for others are enough for salvation, but FP's interpretation of the Bible seems logical. Why WOULDN'T God punish America for tolerating homosexuality?

So do you agree, disagree, or partially agree with FP?

Cajunboy:::Because God knows, I know and you all know ALL TOO WELL, THAT PEOPLE CAN CHANGE! RIGHT? Aren't we all good examples of that principle? Also, why would "homosexuality" take precidence over any other sin that offends God? So if that's the case and you semi-agree with F.P. , God should want to do the same with all mankind that offends HIM with their sins. I wouldn't doubt one iota that sins as "Adultery" are equally offensive to God. The main thing we all need to focus on right now is "getting right with God." Are you ready for HIM if HE calls us tomorrow? We say, "I believe so?" But are you really sure in your heart of hearts?


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God didn't change. Here's my theory. He always required punishment in return for sin. However in the OT, the punishment came through sin offerings, or sometimes the death of the sinner. Now in the NT, Jesus was sent to pay for our sins. He took the punishment so we don't have to. Basically he offered us life. Thank God for Jesus. :)


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Fred Phelps preaches a gospel of hate, not the gospel of the bible.

Fred Phelps does not have the fruits of the Spirit.

Those Christians who know about his cult know its not good Christian theology.

Dont listen to the filth, the obscenities, of Fred Phelps hate.


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It seems Fred Phelps uses the Bible to defend his views, and I'm postulating there are (secret) Fred Phelps sympathizers out there, possibly on this board.

I'm not sure if I can link the website, but if you Google "Westboro Baptist Church", you'll find it.

They have a pamphlet on their website titled "God Loves Everyone - The Greatest Lie Ever Told". Interesting read.

- Well, basically, it's an outline of God killing lots of people for disobedience.

But the same God also gave up Jesus because He so loved the world, which I imagined was full of sin. God was grieved for creating mankind, yet He didn't give up on us.

The OT God and NT God seem quite different. I know God doesn't change, but if He took many lives for their sins in the past, then why wouldn't He want homosexuals killed these days?

I know believing that Jesus died for our sins, walking humbly with God, and caring for others are enough for salvation, but FP's interpretation of the Bible seems logical. Why WOULDN'T God punish America for tolerating homosexuality?

So do you agree, disagree, or partially agree with FP?

Cajunboy:::Because God knows, I know and you all know ALL TOO WELL, THAT PEOPLE CAN CHANGE! RIGHT? Aren't we all good examples of that principle? Also, why would "homosexuality" take precidence over any other sin that offends God? So if that's the case and you semi-agree with F.P. , God should want to do the same with all mankind that offends HIM with their sins. I wouldn't doubt one iota that sins as "Adultery" are equally offensive to God. The main thing we all need to focus on right now is "getting right with God." Are you ready for HIM if HE calls us tomorrow? We say, "I believe so?" But are you really sure in your heart of hearts?

The concept of change, to me, is abstaining from sin. The change to heterosexuality, on the other hand, is not going to happen to most people.

So yes, the change is wanting to obey God and trying to be as sinless as possible.

I was just curious what y'all thought (considering most of you are fundamentalist) about Fred Phelps...he's scheduled to protest at my school (Cornell) this Thursday. It's too bad his message is full of condemnation, hate, and violence.


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Fred Phelps preaches a gospel of hate, not the gospel of the bible.

Fred Phelps does not have the fruits of the Spirit.

Those Christians who know about his cult know its not good Christian theology.

Dont listen to the filth, the obscenities, of Fred Phelps hate.

I'm just trying to understand why his theology is any different from anyone on this board.

Oh, he DEFINITELY does not have the fruits of the Holy Spirit. But if you grow up in a very fundamentalist environment, then what he's saying might resonate.


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God didn't change. Here's my theory. He always required punishment in return for sin. However in the OT, the punishment came through sin offerings, or sometimes the death of the sinner. Now in the NT, Jesus was sent to pay for our sins. He took the punishment so we don't have to. Basically he offered us life. Thank God for Jesus. :)

Indeed thank God for Jesus!


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They have a pamphlet on their website titled "God Loves Everyone - The Greatest Lie Ever Told".

God makes a liar out of Fred Phelps.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The OT God and NT God seem quite different. I know God doesn't change, but if He took many lives for their sins in the past, then why wouldn't He want homosexuals killed these days?

In the OT, there was justice and love. Same with the NT. Yes, there was killing in the OT, but He also provided for our redemption in the OT, showing all the time that He would redeem us. That is His love. In the NT, He shows us His love, yet if you read it, you will also see the time of justice when mankind who rejects Jesus will be punished eternally. Justice and love is equally seen in the old and new testaments.

We are under a new covenant with Him, and He will deal with sinners. We dont kill homosexuals because we are not under the law. We are under grace.

I know believing that Jesus died for our sins, walking humbly with God, and caring for others are enough for salvation, but FP's interpretation of the Bible seems logical. Why WOULDN'T God punish America for tolerating homosexuality?

Belief is what we need for our salvation. Caring for others doesnt get us saved. But onto your other question, why wouldnt God punish America for tolerating homosexuality....well what makes you think He wont. He hasnt yet, but He could. All nations have a lot to answer to Him for. Worshipping idols, killing infants, tolerating sin...the list goes on and on.

So do you agree, disagree, or partially agree with FP?

There is no way I will agree with that hatemonger. He twists scripture to justify his poisoned self.

Jesus said to love the Lord with all your heart mind and soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself. Do you see Phelps doing either of these?


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I'm just trying to understand why his theology is any different from anyone on this board.

Phelps has anti semetic views, which does not mesh with this board or its members. His site states "the only true Jews are Christians." (Even posting that makes me ill.) That is replacement theology which most here do not believe in.

Ug I have to go to his site to see specifically what he preaches, and I cant do that, its too vile. If you read on his stuff, his views do not resonate with Christians because of the hate he spews. That is so far from Christ.

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