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[Guest shiloh357]

Because there is not a jot of evidence to say that it is.

Actually that is not true.

Mogog was a son of Japeth and according to Josephus (Book 1, chapter 6) the Magogites were also known by the Greeks as Scythians. Scythian burial mounds have been found in Russia and evidence of the Scythians has been found in the Ukraine. The City of Belsk in the Ukraine in the area known Poltava is believed by archeologists to be the ancient captial of Scythian empire.

I don't participate in, dangerous, infantile millenarian speculation. I focus on living my life as a Christian not participating in absurd fantasies cobbled together from tenuous and abusive readings of the Bible. There have passed nearly 20 centuries since those texts were written, and through those centuries folk on the crazy margins of Christianity have sought to to what you do now make them fit their own world view, they were all wrong.

The problem actually lies in your inability to admit that God is going to supernaturally defeat an alliance of nations that may include Islamic nations. You do not participate on much of any thread on this message board that has nothing to do with Islam. In particular, you are against the fact that God is going to supernaturally defeat them as they attempt to destroy Israel which you hate. That God is going to stand for Israel against your Islam greatly offends you.

[nebula]

You don't get it, do you? You made the initial claim that you had scholarship on your side. I merely asked you to prove it, your response is to go onto the attack. This would seem to highlight the weakness of your argument.

Amor - you attacked me first. And again, I did not make my statement to present an argument nor counter anything you had previously said. I truly do not understand your antagonism in this.

And I am tired of your many false assumptions of me being spoken as fact. Why should I grant your request if you cannot discuss the issue with civility?

[nebula]

I fail to see the connection between Ezekiel 38-39 and trying to foretell "the day or hour" of Jesus' return.

The connection is that it is the text upon which which your eschatological house of cards is built.

1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of [a] Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him 3 and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army

[amor]

Better to speculate and be wrong than to not speculate and miss its fulfilling, don't you think?

If something is going happen it will happen whetther you have been speculating about it or not. Better to be prepared for anything than spend time playing fortune teller.

[amor]

I fail to see the connection between Ezekiel 38-39 and trying to foretell "the day or hour" of Jesus' return.

The connection is that it is the text upon which which your eschatological house of cards is built.

1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of [a] Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him 3 and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army

[amor]

[ The problem actually lies in your inability to admit that God is going to supernaturally defeat an alliance of nations that may include Islamic nations. You do not participate on much of any thread on this message board that has nothing to do with Islam. In particular, you are against the fact that God is going to supernaturally defeat them as they attempt to destroy Israel which you hate. That God is going to stand for Israel against your Islam greatly offends you.

I see you are in libel mode again, it's ages since you last started frothing at me. I've quite missed you! However I do not hate Israel and I am not a Muslim. I do however have a low opinion of crazed extremist however they denominate themselves. It is true that I don't like the present Israeli government or indeed the Bush regime, I don't like Hamas or Fatah either. I however know that there will sooner or later be a peace settlement qhich will lead to the establishment of a viable Palestinian state alongside Israel, most Israelis and Palestinians, however much they may dislike each other know and expect this too.

Let's make it clear then I do not wish to see the destruction of Israel, but neither do I wish to see the continued suffering and oppresion of the Palestinians continue.

As I have said to you in the past, if you think what I'm saying is not true, look at my old posts and prove me wrong. Here they are. You won't be able to of course, so you'll make some feeble excuse.

Sadly I think your approach to debate at times takes cue from that old Goebbels quote

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

[JustinM]

No one is fortune telling here amor. Much of the bible consists of prophecy. Prophecy was used to demonstrate God's omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence.

False prophets were dealt with harshlywhen they would make untrue claims. This had to be done in order to preserve the credibility of God's true prophets.

It is true we do not know when all these events will take place, but there are many passages that guide us along the way.

We are told to be vigilant and to always look up. God wants us to pay attention to world events so that we can prepare ourselves and our loved ones for His return. He doesn't want us caught off guard. I believe in pre-millennialism and a pre-tribulation rapture. That is my eschatological belief. Depending on how you interpret the bible or who you allow to interpret the bible, there are many differnt beliefs that people share. Ridiculing your brethren because of their beliefs is wrong and you will not gain any friends in doing that.

Now, Shiloh posted some very interesting facts and you didn't even acknowledge them. This tells me that you have a preconceived notion of how you want things to be and no matter what facts are submitted before you, you will overlook them and continue trying to defend your position.

Whatever, dude. Since you got nothing else to contribute to the debate, then cede your position and let others actually have a conversation and when you can bring proof to strengthen your position and facts that may actually have a substantial impact on the debate, then feel free to chime in.

[JustinM]

Eschatology is a touchy subject and if we can actually have an open discussion about our POV on things, then maybe we can all find something we can agree upon. As it is, you got the replacements, the premilennialists, milennialists, pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, etc.

But, I think most of us at least have the bible as the foundation of our views. Now, we should all use the bible more, to strengthen our arguments. Why are we at worthyboards? To see how many barbs we can throw at each other? Does our pride bring us back here post after post after post, to fight and bicker amongst ourselves?

[JustinM]

I came to worthyboards to lean more about Christ, but to also become more informed of what the world is going through.

I am here because I am desperate. It feels like the world is spinning out of control and that the enemy is winning. I'm not afraid of defeat, because I know the final score, but we have to muddle through life together and constantly battle the forces of evil working against us. What is our purpose in life here? As a Christian, our purpose is to bring as many people to Christ as possible, because we believe He is the only one who can help us.

I feel like we are failing, more people are turning against us, they're corrupting our churches, our Bible and in some places our hearts. Wide is the road to Hell and narrow is the path to Heaven. Now I know why. There's 6 billion people living today, not 1/3 of them will make it to Heaven.

Are we failing God? Or is the heart of man so wicked that there is nothing we, or even God can do to change that?

[nebula]

If something is going happen it will happen whetther you have been speculating about it or not. Better to be prepared for anything than spend time playing fortune teller.

Fortune telling? Amor, you are seriously scraping the barrel with this one.

Ah so you did listen to him once!

And I was nine years old or so when I read that book. I've learned a lot since then . . . like the tooth fairy isn't real.

More seriously, all these false prophets are proved wrong and have been over the past 2000 years. That's why I there is no virtue in taking them seriously.

How many times do I have to ask you to quit assuming. Just because I am trying to engage in a discussion rather than a debate does not mean I have unreliable or shady resources to draw from.

I'm done trying to reason with you. If you cannot respect my need to not engage in debating, then there is no use in my futher communicating with you.