Gay Pastor Conducts Tammy Faye Service

[sweetycakes]

The child should not be made to feel bad or suffer in any way for the actions of such parents. Kids have enough problems and issues as it is.

The parents, however, deserve a stern rebuke for presuming that they can claim it as 'right' or 'good' that a child has TWO MUMS......

So for taking a special needs child, they deserve a "stern rebuke", after all if no heterosexual couples wanted to adopt the girl, then she should have just rotted in an orphanage until she turned 18 right?

I think it is largely the fault of society.

A society where parents are either not willing, or not capable of looking after their own offspring, in a lot of cases. And a society that is being steered towards accepting that Two mums is the right and 'normal' thing to do.

Of course, if these kinds of occurences were only very sporadic, I think people would have a lot more tolerant view. But we see that this kind of thing (of accepting homosexual relationships or gay adoption families), being pushed upon us more and more.

Not for the sake of children. But for the sake of the 'gay rights' lobby, as I see it.

And certainly not for the sake of Christendom.

[chrisb]

The child should not be made to feel bad or suffer in any way for the actions of such parents. Kids have enough problems and issues as it is.

The parents, however, deserve a stern rebuke for presuming that they can claim it as 'right' or 'good' that a child has TWO MUMS......

So for taking a special needs child, they deserve a "stern rebuke", after all if no heterosexual couples wanted to adopt the girl, then she should have just rotted in an orphanage until she turned 18 right?

This is a bit of a stretch. Special needs kids are adopted by heteros every day.

[Guest Biblicist]

It is nice to make these black and white statements, but lets apply this to a practical situation. You mention same sex parents. Say you had a lesbian couple that had been in a long term monogamous relationship as your neighbors and they had adopted a special needs child that others were not willing to adopt. Would you not accept them as that child's adoptive parents?

Thou shalt not use "straw man" arguments to prove thy point, or derail the thread.

[forrestkc]

The child should not be made to feel bad or suffer in any way for the actions of such parents. Kids have enough problems and issues as it is.

The parents, however, deserve a stern rebuke for presuming that they can claim it as 'right' or 'good' that a child has TWO MUMS......

So for taking a special needs child, they deserve a "stern rebuke", after all if no heterosexual couples wanted to adopt the girl, then she should have just rotted in an orphanage until she turned 18 right?

This is a bit of a stretch. Special needs kids are adopted by heteros every day.

They are, but many times same sex couples adopt children with special needs that others are unwilling to adopt. Moreover, many special needs children are never adopted.

All I am trying to do here is illustrate that its easy to make blanket statements, but the world is not nearly as black and white as we would like it to be sometimes. Hence the need for tolerance. Tolerance is not acceptance though.

[sweetycakes]

The child should not be made to feel bad or suffer in any way for the actions of such parents. Kids have enough problems and issues as it is.

The parents, however, deserve a stern rebuke for presuming that they can claim it as 'right' or 'good' that a child has TWO MUMS......

So for taking a special needs child, they deserve a "stern rebuke", after all if no heterosexual couples wanted to adopt the girl, then she should have just rotted in an orphanage until she turned 18 right?

I think it is largely the fault of society.

A society where parents are either not willing, or not capable of looking after their own offspring, in a lot of cases. And a society that is being steered towards accepting that Two mums is the right and 'normal' thing to do.

Of course, if these kinds of occurences were only very sporadic, I think people would have a lot more tolerant view. But we see that this kind of thing (of accepting homosexual relationships or gay adoption families), being pushed upon us more and more.

Not for the sake of children. But for the sake of the 'gay rights' lobby, as I see it.

And certainly not for the sake of Christendom.

Another very important aspect of the scenario that you point out above, and are missing, or ignoring, is that quite often it is not that a child in this country would be left to rot in an orphange until 18.

All too often, prospective adoptive parents are 'screened' in such a way as to give preferential treatment to 'gays' or 'racially divergent' adoptive parents. This has been borne out by recent studies.

Same thing goes for the police force in England, where there is a drive for 'muslim' or 'gay' officers, to the exclusion of 'straight' policemen. It is also not uncommon for straight or Christian constables to be 'passed over' in favour of gay or muslim candidates.

The same is happening in the armed forces, to a degree.

The problem is that, in this increasingly 'PC' society, preference is being given to 'gays' and muslims, and others are being excluded. Do the research.

Sorry to take this off topic a little bit....I'm just trying to get my point across as to the ludicrousy and invalidity of the arguments, quite often, in such cases.

[forrestkc]

Another very important aspect of the scenario that you point out above, and are missing, or ignoring, is that quite often it is not that a child in this country would be left to rot in an orphange until 18.

All too often, prospective adoptive parents are 'screened' in such a way as to give preferential treatment to 'gays' or 'racially divergent' adoptive parents. This has been borne out by recent studies.

Same thing goes for the police force in England, where there is a drive for 'muslim' or 'gay' officers, to the exclusion of 'straight' policemen. It is also not uncommon for straight or Christian constables to be 'passed over' in favour of gay or muslim candidates.

The same is happening in the armed forces, to a degree.

The problem is that, in this increasingly 'PC' society, preference is being given to 'gays' and muslims, and others are being excluded. Do the research.

Sorry to take this off topic a little bit....I'm just trying to get my point across as to the ludicrousy and invalidity of the arguments, quite often, in such cases.

I don't know about the U.K., but in the United States, some states do not even allow same sex couples to adopt, and as far as foreign adoption goes, it can be very difficult for interracial couples to adopt and no nation that allows foreign adoptions allows same sex couples to adopt. In those cases, one partner will adopt (in a nation where singles can adopt), and the other will then adopt the child once they get back to the states.

[Marnie]

I think it's time to put this one to bed. Thanks for the great discussion on what to me was a very sad and pathetic story.