Hello...I am deist

[Gettin' In Tune]

I'll be moving out to the Wild West shortly

Our sin condemns us, but He gives us a way out of that condemnation.

I will be joining our Founding Fathers, Lincoln, Edison, Einstein, Hawkins, Gandhi, The Dalai Lama and many other wonderful people. I live a good moral life.

And many people I admire too.

Living a moral life doesnt cut it though. At one point you have sinned and that sin condemns you. Jesus offers life.

Hitler goes to Heaven, while our Fouding Fathers go to Hell. America was born out of deistic principles and freedom of religion. Why does Christianity have a monopoly over religion?

It seems arrogant of Jesus to claim that you must accept me into my heart or suffer enternal damnation.

[ayin jade]

I'll be moving out to the Wild West shortly

Cool Im in Arizona. Land of cactus, cowboys, Indians, tumbleweed and dust storms.

Hitler goes to Heaven, while our Fouding Fathers go to Hell.

What makes you think hitler is in heaven?

America was born out of deistic principles and freedom of religion. Why does Christianity have a monopoly over religion?

Christianity doesnt have a monopoly over religion. Christianity is the one that follows the Lord. No other religion follows Him at this time.

It seems arrogant of Jesus to claim that you must accept me into my heart or suffer enternal damnation.

He is Lord. He is not arrogant. He came to pay the price so you dont have to. He is offering you life.

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Hi there, Gettin' In Tune!

I am an atheist. I hope you don't mind if I reply to your post. I have great respect for Thomas Paine. I agree with you that he is "America's unsung patriot." I've read "The Age of Reason" at least 3 times and I gain more respect for his insight each time I read it. I'm looking forward to reading replies also from anyone who is familiar with his work (not just his writing, but all that he did)

It's interesting that one poster said:

Have you read any C.S. Lewis perhaps? He went from atheist, to deist, to Christian, and makes the logical case for his transition.

This is especially interesting to me because from my readings and research I did just the opposite. I went from christian to deist to atheist. I will have to read about C.S. Lewis. I've read the "Narnia" series but that doesn't give much insight into the writer's journey.

Glad to see a fellow questioner on the site. Going against the grain is hard to do.

Hello disEnchanted.

Jump right in and join the fun.

I am a "non-theist-agnostic-deist". I am still in my cultivating process, but it seems that I am generally graviting towards a "fence leaner".

I am curious about your conversion from deism to atheism. Did you cultivate your deism? What were the reasons you left deism to become an athiest?

[Gettin' In Tune]

I'll begoing to NM.

What makes you think hitler is in heaven?

Hitler was a Christian

Christianity doesnt have a monopoly over religion. Christianity is the one that follows the Lord. No other religion follows Him at this time.

In this country it does and in the world it is an oligoply power along with Muslims and Hindus.

A religion is a set of common beliefs and practices generally held by a group of people, often codified as prayer, ritual, and religious law. I share many christian ethics and morals, but why do I have to follow the Lord? Who's Lord am I supposed to follow since their are various interpretations of the Lord. Why do I have to belief in him in order to go to heaven?

[ayin jade]

What makes you think hitler is in heaven?

Hitler was a Christian

What makes you think so?

Im not trying to be thick headed. I would like to know why you think so, because I do not believe he was saved.

[Gettin' In Tune]

What makes you think hitler is in heaven?

Hitler was a Christian

What makes you think so?

Im not trying to be thick headed. I would like to know why you think so, because I do not believe he was saved.

Think that he is a christian or go to heaven?

It is a moot point. Hitler's faith is arguable; whether he remained a christian throughout his life or abandoned his christianity. I was using him to make a statement that people commit atrocities but can still go to heaven if they repent and take Jesus as their Savior. To me this is perverse.

Again christianity has a monopoly on religion in America. The United States was not founded to be an officially christian nation or to espouse any official religion. Chrisianity leaks into our politics and schools. If you live in certain places, some people are afraid to come of the

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It is a moot point. Hitler's faith is arguable; whether he remained a christian throughout his life or abandoned his christianity. I was using him to make a statement that people commit atrocities but can still go to heaven if they repent and take Jesus as their Savior. To me this is perverse.

If life was fair, all of us would go to hell. But God in His love and mercy offers us a way out, if we repent and turn to Jesus, we can be saved. You have that chance as much as anyone else does.

Again christianity has a monopoly on religion in America. The United States was not founded to be an officially christian nation or to espouse any official religion. Chrisianity leaks into our politics and schools. If you live in certain places, some people are afraid to come of the

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If life was fair, all of us would go to hell. But God in His love and mercy offers us a way out, if we repent and turn to Jesus, we can be saved. You have that chance as much as anyone else does.

I think we just disagree here. My "god" will not send me to hell.

Here are a couple of scenarios at want to propose.

1. I live my whole life not taking jesus into my heart and at the last minute before my death accept jesus and go to heaven?

2. I live my whole life taking jesus into my heart and at the last minute abandon my

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[ayin jade]

If life was fair, all of us would go to hell. But God in His love and mercy offers us a way out, if we repent and turn to Jesus, we can be saved. You have that chance as much as anyone else does.

I think we just disagree here. My "god" will not send me to hell.

Then you do not know God. For your sins condemn. God saves through His Son Jesus.

Here are a couple of scenarios at want to propose.

1. I live my whole life not taking jesus into my heart and at the last minute before my death accept jesus and go to heaven?

2. I live my whole life taking jesus into my heart and at the last minute abandon my

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Yes, I do believe that the heart of mankind is good. It is usually a few bad apples in any groups that give the rest a bad name.

Romans 3:Rom 3:9 What then? Do we excel? No, in no way; for we have before charged both Jews and Greeks all with being under sin,

Rom 3:10 as it is written: "There is none righteous, no not one;

Rom 3:11 there is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God."

Rom 3:12 "They are all gone out of the way, they have together become unprofitable, there is none that does good, no, not one."