God knows ALL things ?

[Guest Odium]

God may know past, present and future but he does not control or decide what will happen. That's up to us.

[MeCajunboy]

believe that God knows all things past present and future, but He only shares any of this knowledge at His discretion for His own purposes. God, however, does not not determine what actions a person will take. He knows which of us will endure to the end in Jesus, but He does not determine whether we are saved or not. We do based on our actions and/or decisions. We have been given the choice to serve God or not. The fact that He knows what all of our choices are in advance does not change the fact that they are our choices.

So why does He bother to give us the choices, if he knows the results anyway? Very simply He wants men to serve Him and love Him and do all that we can to please, BECAUSE we choose to do so, not because we had no other choice. Our choices are to be made in the midst of many difficulties and a certain doubt as to our reward, if any. He wants those to be with Him through eternity who given such difficulties and doubts remained steadfast in their efforts to please Him. If we knew everything from the beginning perfectly which of us would choose not to serve Him? Therefore He made it necessary for us to live by faith in things unseen with the natural eye, including Him.

Even the repetition is part of His plan:

"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. " Ecc 1:9-10

Individuals rarely learn by other people's experiences and often not even their own. All of this and more is part of God's plan.

Cajunboy: I, in part agee with you in part! I would debate the same as in your first paragraph. This explains and reinforces what I believe as well. However, I'm pretty sure that God did not make the comment you reference in Ecc 1:9-10 . This may have been an observation from a King, but not of God!

[MeCajunboy]

God may know past, present and future but he does not control or decide what will happen. That's up to us.

Cajunboy:::: In agreement! I guess mine is a question that could only be answered by God himself??

[nebula]

It just seems to me that if God knew and knows people , even of the future generations, wouldn't HE also know that it would be senseless to destroy people if HE also knew that eventually , with sin intervening, people would come to the point that we're seeing now, which by the way is almost a repeat of early times. History is practically repeating itself,but in a different location !

It sounds to me like you don't think the Lord had planned out the need for Him to incarnate Himself as a man so that He could become the final atoning sacrifice for all sin.

Cajunboy::: Sorry if it sounds like that to YOU! But that's not what my question was meant to do. And if you think about even your own statement against my thoughts that "Perhaps there really wouln't have been a need for God to send HIS SON to suffer so much of a world of pathetic and sinful people if we had only listened to HIS WORD to begin with. While I realize tha it must have been inevitable to God that man would take the path of least resistance and choose to sin, one has to wonder why that one issue really had to exist....And I also realize that it began with the two first people on earth.....I still have to wonder.

Actually, I think you missed my train of thought in what I stated.

What I see is that you are trying to understand the eternal from the perspective of the temporal. Might it be possible that there was more to God incarnating Himself as man to redeem us than "just" dealing with sin?

[MeCajunboy]

God is all-knowing (no matter what human beings logically decide) see James 1:5; I Sam 2:3; Psa 139:1-6, Gen 6:5; Matt 6:4, 32; Acts 2:23, ETC.

Cajunboy::::Terter, thanks for all your efforts in locating and your support. However, some of these scrip/versus don't reflect God's all knowing ability:

James1:5 (deals with Man seeking Wisdom.)

1Sam2:3 (Speaks of God knowing one's deeds, not necessarily of knowing deeds of future reference.)

Psa 139:1-6 Perfect verse! ( You know what I am going to say!)

Gen 6:5 Perfect verse! This was the scripture/verse I was originally searching for when I was searching for God's intent: God speaks to Moses and expresses that HIS (HEART) is broken ( So we know that GOD has a HEART!, ANYONE EVER REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT STATEMENT, CONSIDERING WE'RE SPEAKING OF A SUPERNATURAL BEING? A HEART!......Then God says HE will destroy HIS universe of all the animals, birds and human race that HE had created! He was sorry HE had ever made them! This is what makes me question if God truly knows future tenses of man! The very fact that HE would even be "disappointed" in man says to me that HE possibly expected that man would NOT disappoint HIM! NO?

\att 6:4 32 Perfect verse! (Father knows ALL secrects!

Many thanks and I guess you figured out that God answered my questions ...all here in Gen 6:5 to begin with, because GOD knew that I was searching for this verse and count NOT find it for the longest.......until YOU came along to intercede!

Bless you

Cajunboy

[MeCajunboy]

God may know past, present and future but he does not control or decide what will happen. That's up to us.

Cajunboy:::.K.? Just wanted you to clarify what you originally stated. I was already aware that "although God knows ALL THINGS , HE chooses not to reveal them to man. Just wasn't sure if YOU knew that from your first comment prior to your revising you comment!

Blesings

Cajunboy

[MeCajunboy]

It just seems to me that if God knew and knows people , even of the future generations, wouldn't HE also know that it would be senseless to destroy people if HE also knew that eventually , with sin intervening, people would come to the point that we're seeing now, which by the way is almost a repeat of early times. History is practically repeating itself,but in a different location !

It sounds to me like you don't think the Lord had planned out the need for Him to incarnate Himself as a man so that He could become the final atoning sacrifice for all sin.

Cajunboy::: Sorry if it sounds like that to YOU! But that's not what my question was meant to do. And if you think about even your own statement against my thoughts that "Perhaps there really wouln't have been a need for God to send HIS SON to suffer so much of a world of pathetic and sinful people if we had only listened to HIS WORD to begin with. While I realize tha it must have been inevitable to God that man would take the path of least resistance and choose to sin, one has to wonder why that one issue really had to exist....And I also realize that it began with the two first people on earth.....I still have to wonder.

Actually, I think you missed my train of thought in what I stated.

What I see is that you are trying to understand the eternal from the perspective of the temporal. Might it be possible that there was more to God incarnating Himself as man to redeem us than "just" dealing with sin?

Cajunboy::: No ma'am! Not exactly. If you would take a moment to read Gen 6:5 you might begin to understand the complexity of my quest ! I only wish it were that easy to comprehend. "More to God incarnation Himself as man to redeem us that "Just" dealing with sin? As in what more? Please explain your last thought?

[MeCajunboy]

One thing I've never understood is why God would create Lucifer, knowing how many of His children would be lost because if him, not to mention all the heartache he would cause. All the pat answers about "choice" and Him not wanting us to be robots don't cut it for me, because those problems would never have been if he'd never been created.

Another one is that Jesus hasn't come yet because He is waiting on us to get ready. But in the meantime scores of His children are being lost for the sake of the few who may be saved.

Cajunboy::::: Not sure if that's totally correct Kat? Just the mere fact that God created "choices" and the ability to "choose" right from wrong or good from bad and the fact that we all choose wrong choices many times in our lives, tells us that even if God had allowed satan to roam the earth to create "temptation," man might still make many wrong choices.. Do you agree? However, I do agree that if satan were not a factor, we might not have reason to "fear" evil or "have a fear of God." When I say "fear of God," I mean it only in an endearing way. I only fear that if I fail God, I will not reap HIS promises for an eternity in Heaven with HIM !

Blessings

Cajunboy

[nebula]

Cajunboy::: No ma'am! Not exactly. If you would take a moment to read Gen 6:5 you might begin to understand the complexity of my quest ! I only wish it were that easy to comprehend.

Hey - I'm not trying to imply I believe this is easy to comprehend!

"More to God incarnating Himself as man to redeem us that "Just" dealing with sin? As in what more? Please explain your last thought?

As best as you can, try to imagine the kind of relationship Adam and Eve had with the Lord before the Fall.

Now, consider the kind of relationship we have with the Lord having been purchased by Him at His own expense. Imagine even more what our relationship with Him will be like once we are free form this body of sin.

Try praying and pondering on this thought for a while, OK?

[MeCajunboy]

Cajunboy::: No ma'am! Not exactly. If you would take a moment to read Gen 6:5 you might begin to understand the complexity of my quest ! I only wish it were that easy to comprehend.

Hey - I'm not trying to imply I believe this is easy to comprehend!

"More to God incarnating Himself as man to redeem us that "Just" dealing with sin? As in what more? Please explain your last thought?

As best as you can, try to imagine the kind of relationship Adam and Eve had with the Lord before the Fall.

Now, consider the kind of relationship we have with the Lord having been purchased by Him at His own expense. Imagine even more what our relationship with Him will be like once we are free form this body of sin.

Try praying and pondering on this thought for a while, OK?