Do you have personal Christian Friends who are Gay?

[Guest Biblicist]

Why, Suzanne?

[tsth]

It's like asking:

"Do you have personal Christian Friends who are Adulterers?"

"Do you have personal Christian Friends who are Murderers?"

"Do you have personal Christian Friends who practice Witchcraft?"

"Do you have personal Christian Friends who are Thieves?"

etc.

Light/Dark?

It doesn't jibe.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest Biblicist]

Oh, I see....Got ya!

[jackie d]

Sin is sin! and what's the difference between the sins above that OP listed than any other sin? Like lying, self-righteousness, hypocricy, the list goes on and on and no one escapes judgement for any sin. At least the sins that the OP listed are sins that neither the sinner nor the brother is able to ignore, cause they are in the face of everyone day and night....the ones I listed are sins that the sinner is not able to easily recognize because they have decieved themselves and hardened their hearts against God, themselves and their brothers and sisters. And usually continue in them. And I happen to hang out with a whole slew of Christian sinners who commit the very acts that I listed above...few of them are right here at Worthy too!

Matt 23:5 "But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments.

Mat 23:25 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.*

Jesus said, He didn't come not for the righteous but the unrighteous, He came for the sinner!!

I absolutely hate these threads where people get to look upon the sins of others, yet fail to even recognize their own and say to themselves, I just could never find myself eating at the same table as that nasty old tax collector!! Pa-lease!

light/dark? It doesn't jibe, now does it?

[tsth]

You are denying the Power of God, jackie. There is something to be said for "a new creation" and "righteousness".

This is why Jesus said the following, because the tax collectors and prostitutes DID receive the instruction on righteousness, and were not "offended" by it.

Matthew 21:31..........Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

NEW CREATIONS!

2 Cor. 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

Gal 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is a new creation.

DENYING THE POWER OF GOD, TO PERFORM HIS AWESOME WORK OF CHANGE?

2 Tim. 3:5 having a form of godliness but denying its power.

All things are possible with God!!!

In His Love,

Suzanne

[jackie d]

You are denying the Power of God, jackie. There is something to be said for "a new creation" and "righteousness".

I am doing no such thing Suzanne, on the contrary I am magnifying the power of God in His ability to discern the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Those things unseen that cause us to be as leaven to the body of Christ. Including them who view themselves so "righteous" as to sit in a seat of judgment regarding the sinner. I am discrediting those who believe they have the ability to judge and trust their judgment of their own hearts.

Matthew 21:31..........Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

Those sinners who wanted Christ, who accepted Him at His word. I do not speak of them Suzanne. I speak of the unrighteous Christian looking upon those obvious sinners as being somehow less than those of self-righteousness.

NEW CREATIONS!

2 Cor. 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

Gal 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is a new creation.

all fine and good for those who remain humble about themselves, for he who is forgiven much loves much, loving above all Christ. And those in this catagory would remember quite well where they came from and would consider quite carefully casting apsersions on another for their obvious sin.

DENYING THE POWER OF GOD, DENYING THE POWER OF GOD, TO PERFORM HIS AWESOME WORK OF CHANGE?

2 Tim. 3:5 having a form of godliness but denying its power.

I take nothing from the Lord for I of all people know that through Him all things are possible for I was and am the most wretched of sinner. It's funny, the one Man who walked the earth had more problem with the self righteous and hypocirital than He did those who admittedly had sin and shortcomings.

"TO PERFORM HIS AWESOME WORK OF CHANGE?"

Let me start by saying that the awesome work of change will be quite obvious by the fruits of our labor. Let us labor with one another in love. He that knows not love knows not God, for God IS love.

blessings

[tsth]

2 Timothy 2

19 Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."

1 John 3

4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

11 This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12 Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother's were righteous. 13 Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[tsth]

Do you really believe that Jesus leaves us in the condition in which He found us?

Do you think He calls us to be "sanctified" and "set apart" as His, which is not to practice abominable sex and lust of the flesh, any longer.

Or do you really think that a person bought and purchased by the blood of Jesus Christ still lives a homosexual lifestyle? How about a murderous, serial killer? Does he continue to kill?

This should be what we know about Jesus.........He changes a true follower! Unless we're talking about 2 different Jesus's???

The One I know, has the power to change people. That is why I cannot even fathom the title of this thread.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[jackie d]

Do you really believe that Jesus leaves us in the condition in which He found us?

Do you think He calls us to be "sanctified" and "set apart" as His, which is not to practice abominable sex and lust of the flesh, any longer.

Or do you really think that a person bought and purchased by the blood of Jesus Christ still lives a homosexual lifestyle? How about a murderous, serial killer? Does he continue to kill?

This should be what we know about Jesus.........He changes a true follower! Unless we're talking about 2 different Jesus's???

The One I know, has the power to change people. That is why I cannot even fathom the title of this thread.

In His Love,

Suzanne

what? Suzanne, sometimes I wonder if people are purposefully obtuse.

The One I know does too...please don't pull the "my God" card on me.

I can't stand these threads because of all of the harsh and unkind opinions people throw around with tones of self righteous indignation. As if that's going to change anything...

Just like the lying thread in Gen Discussion...they all go like this "I'm right"..."no, I'm right" ..."you aren't in alignment with the word of God"..."no you aren't" blah blah blah

I wasn't arguing with you about what you said, I was adding to it.

[Massorite]

I would like to hear from your personal experiences if you have Christian Friends who are Gay ? I've often heard in other Worthy Topics where people speak of their "many" gay friends. I was just wondering, if you know someone who lives a homosexual lifestyle (which we're instructed is sexual sin, along with many other types), or if you perhaps attend church with a friend who is a practicing homosexual, do you feel comfortable with your relationship knowing that the Bible forbids it!

1Cor 5:9-13 When I wrote to you before (meaning Paul to Cor.), I told you not to associate with people who indulge in sexual sin. But I wasn't talking about unbelievers who indulge in suexual sin, or who are greedy or are swindlers or idol worshipers. You would have to leave this world to avoid people like that. What I meant was that you ar not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian, yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy , or worships idols, or is abusive or a drunkard, or a swindler. Don't even eat with such people.

It isn't my responsibility to dudge outsiders, but it certainly is your job to judge those inside the church who are sinning in these ways. God will judge those on the outside, but as the Scriptures say, "you must remove the evil person from among you." (I can only assume that we are not to associate with these type of sinners for fear that it might eventually lend itself to an "accepting" tendency, or even worse!

It is very evident that with all the recent Judicial and Legislative decision making on the "homosexual orientation" agenda, that many are becoming "desensitised" in this area of life, and it's becoming a more acceptable "lifestyle" even though we all know God's views on it.

And I do realize that we are to "LOVE" or neighbors as we love our own, so before you go off defending another scripture/verse here, I would ask that we stay on topic and on "scripture."

Thanks in advance

Any thoughts?

Cajunboy

There is no such thing as a gay Christian. Even though a gay person might consider them self to be a Christan, they are an abomination in the eyes of God.

I agree.

That doesn't mean, though, that they can't be saved from their gay lifestyle.

Absolutely Sweetycakes. The gay lifestyle is a bondage just like the drugging lifestyle and where there is bondage, deliverance is needed.