Naming the Name of Christ

[Fiosh]

I guess that's all there is to say for now. I believe that Christians still wrestle with the flesh. And part of that battle is refusing to acknowledge sin.

Sexual sins aren't the only ones that we try to justify and/or deny.

Pride is one of the most insidious of sins. Difficult to see in oneself. And as tenacious as an octopus when one tries to disentangle oneself from it.

[Fiosh]

Mark 8

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When they arrived at Bethsaida, they brought to him a blind man and begged him to touch him.

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He took the blind man by the hand and led him outside the village. Putting spittle on his eyes he laid his hands on him and asked, "Do you see anything?"

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Looking up he replied, "I see people looking like trees and walking."

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Then he laid hands on his eyes a second time and he saw clearly; his sight was restored and he could see everything distinctly.

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Then he sent him home and said, "Do not even go into the village."

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For some it is a gradual process to come to fully understand who Jesus is, and what it means to follow Him.

Irrelvant to the topic

Not at all. You simply missed the relevancy.

[Vickilynn]

Shalom,

You know, reading through some of these replies, I have to say that I understand where Fiosh is coming from. I mean, the Scriptures are clear, we are not to continue in sin.

HOWEVER, when someone gets saved, if they aren't immediately convicted of sin, or even know what conviction is, they may live in denial of the fact that are in sin! But, yes, they are saved, if they've truly given their heart to Jesus as Savior, but may have unknowingly being withholding areas of their lives from Him.

As they grow and mature in Him and are convicted of sin, they will give over these sins to Him and allow Him to cleanse them.

[Guest shiloh357]

I guess that's all there is to say for now. I believe that Christians still wrestle with the flesh. And part of that battle is refusing to acknowledge sin.

That is not how wrestling with the flesh is portrayed in Scripture. The spirit wars against the flesh and the flesh against the spirit.

The problem Fiosh is that you are refusing to look it biblically. You are trying to handle this emotionally and are not looking at it through the lense of Scripture. Christians do not refuse to acknowledge sin. The Christian war with sin amounts doing what is right in spite of the desire to do what is wrong, hence the war with the flesh is predicated on knowing what sin is in the first place.

A Chrstian's war with sin is not a denial sin of what sin is, but a denial of its control over one's life.

[Fiosh]

I guess that's all there is to say for now. I believe that Christians still wrestle with the flesh. And part of that battle is refusing to acknowledge sin.

That is not how wrestling with the flesh is portrayed in Scripture. The spirit wars against the flesh and the flesh against the spirit.

The problem Fiosh is that you are refusing to look it biblically. You are trying to handle this emotionally and are not looking at it through the lense of Scripture. Christians do not refuse to acknowledge sin. The Christian war with sin amounts doing what is right in spite of the desire to do what is right, hence the war with the flesh is predicated on knowing what sin is in the first place.

A Chrstian's war with sin is not a denial sin of what sin is, but a denial of its control over one's life.

Nope, I have my Bibles and Concordance open in front of me as I type.

I think you may be forgetting Genesis 3. Satan is the prince of lies. And one of his best tricks is in convincing us that what we are told is sin......is not wrong.

He tries to blind us to our faults and uses our weaknesses against us.

Yes, emotion does enter into how I deal with people. Jesus felt emotion. I'm not ashamed that I do also. I have great compassion for those who have urges contrary to God's will yet try to follow Christ.

But that does not negate what I believe.

[Guest shiloh357]

Nope, I have my Bibles and Concordance open in front of me as I type.

I think you may be forgetting Genesis 3. Satan is the prince of lies. And one of his best tricks is in convincing us that what we are told is sin......is not wrong.

yes, but that does not address the issue of the born again spirit warring against the flesh. I would not war against something that I did not think was sin.

Rather what that Scripture demonstrates is the kind of lie that is believed by some of those who practice homosexuality; they claim to be Christian but also reject the portions of Scripture that clearly state that God considers homosexuality an abomination.

The first lie foisted on humanity was based upon challenging the integrity of God's word. It challenges God's authority as a moral lawgiver to define what sin is and is not.

Yes, emotion does enter into how I deal with people. Jesus felt emotion. I'm not ashamed that I do also. I have great compassion for those who have urges contrary to God's will yet try to follow Christ.

Yes and because you are approaching this emotionally, you are failing to grasp the simple truth that I have not challenged the faith of those who still struggle with sin after being saved.

The issue I am challenging is those who do not see their homosexual lifestyle as sinful and believe that it can be condoned and practiced in complete harmony with biblical Christianity. They are the ones who are deceived. Perhaps if you suspended your emotions for bit, you could see that. As it stands, you are challenging on arguments that I have not raised.

[Fiosh]

Nope, I have my Bibles and Concordance open in front of me as I type.

I think you may be forgetting Genesis 3. Satan is the prince of lies. And one of his best tricks is in convincing us that what we are told is sin......is not wrong.

yes, but that does not address the issue of the born again spirit warring against the flesh. I would not war against something that I did not think was sin.

Rather what that Scripture demonstrates is the kind of lie that is believed by some of those who practice homosexuality; they claim to be Christian but also reject the portions of Scripture that clearly state that God considers homosexuality an abomination.

The first lie foisted on humanity was based upon challenging the integrity of God's word. It challenges God's authority as a moral lawgiver to define what sin is and is not.

Yes, emotion does enter into how I deal with people. Jesus felt emotion. I'm not ashamed that I do also. I have great compassion for those who have urges contrary to God's will yet try to follow Christ.

Yes and because you are approaching this emotionally, you are failing to grasp the simple truth that I have not challenged the faith of those who still struggle with sin after being saved.

The issue I am challenging is those who do not see their homosexual lifestyle as sinful and believe that it can be condoned and practiced in complete harmony with biblical Christianity. They are the ones who are deceived. Perhaps if you suspended your emotions for bit, you could see that. As it stands, you are challenging on arguments that I have not raised.

It's not my emotions that are clouding the issue, its my memory.

This discussion has gone on so long and in so many directions that I don't remember what the original argument was.

Can we recap?

Here's what I think we agree on:

1. Christians may continue to struggle with and even relapse into their sinful lifestyle and still be Christians, it they repent and make a sincere effort to overcome it.

Here's what we do not agree on:

1. People who deny that their lifestyle is sinful but say they follow Christ cannot be Christians.

Correct?

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Shiloh: "I would not war against something that I did not think was sin. "

Obviously. And so you cannot see the subtle nature of the battle that continually wages.

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And perhaps, Shiloh, you need to develop some compassion.

Peace,

F

[Fiosh]

Shiloh, what do you think homosexuality is? .........is it a choice?..........is it an illness.........is it genetic...........is it normal........etc.

[Fiosh]

Shiloh, you are confusing Christianity and Christian perfection.

[Vickilynn]

Shalom,

You know, reading through some of these replies, I have to say that I understand where Fiosh is coming from. I mean, the Scriptures are clear, we are not to continue in sin.

HOWEVER, when someone gets saved, if they aren't immediately convicted of sin, or even know what conviction is, they may live in denial of the fact that are in sin! But, yes, they are saved, if they've truly given their heart to Jesus as Savior, but may have unknowingly being withholding areas of their lives from Him.

As they grow and mature in Him and are convicted of sin, they will give over these sins to Him and allow Him to cleanse them.