Naming the Name of Christ

[st. Worm]

Dear sw,

Do you know why the people hated Jesus and wanted to kill Him?

It's clarified in His Word.

In His Love,

Suzanne

I gave it my best shot to enter into a reasonable discussion with you about the topic, but I guess it is not to be.

sw

[Scarletprayers]

Dear sw,

Do you know why the people hated Jesus and wanted to kill Him?

It's clarified in His Word.

In His Love,

Suzanne

I gave it my best shot to enter into a reasonable discussion with you about the topic, but I guess it is not to be.

sw

Thats exactly why I gave up sw!

[st. Worm]

Then why the contention toward me? I have principally been posting the Word of God and encouraging to walk in the Spirit? So, why do people get so stirred when the posting of the Word with regard to "sin" comes up? I find this to be a consistent occurrence.

In His Love,

Suzanne

Me too. People just don't realize that when the Lord Jesus comes in, He frees us from the bondage of sin. Yes, we still sin, but we are free NOT to! That is the difference. Those without Christ can't help but sin, for they have no choice. When we are aptized with power, we can be totally free from the drive to commit these types of deep, soul-scarring sins, such as homosexuality. It's easy-peasy for God to free us.

But the problem with this idea which seems easy enough is it equates sin only with specific acts. That is the heresy of Pelagianism. We may no longer be complete slaves to sin but we still carry our sinful nature so that even our best works are tainted with sin. It is quite easy to acknowledge and confess sin when it is easily identifiable but how many of us are willing to look at our very best works, the best our religious aspirations have to offer and confess those as sins too?

sw

[Fiosh]

if a homosexual fails to see that their lifestyle is sinful, they are as Christian as any of us.

How can you say that? A homosexual who comes to salvation in Jesus Christ knows instantly that they have been sinning. They cannot fail to know. What do ypu think they asked Jesus to forgive them of?

That is simply not true. It is our nature to try to justify and rationalize our sins. We shut our eyes to the truth in those areas of our lives that we wish to hang on to, even after coming to Jesus. As we grow in faith, and in our relationship to Him, God reveals to us more and more of those things in our life which we never acknowledged as sin.

As we come closer and closer to perfect Holiness, more and more of our sin is revealed to us.

Peace,

Fiosh

[tsth]

"Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."

Are you not in agreement with the above sw, Fiosh, Scarlet?

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Scarletprayers]

I've asked you a question at least 3 times, when you answer mine, I'll answer yours.

[st. Worm]

"Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."

Are you not in agreement with the above sw, Fiosh, Scarlet?

In His Love,

Suzanne

Of course, but isn't that the problem and not the solution? The law is not a remedy for sin unless we can keep it as well as you and Jesus. We are never told that our sinfulness is forgiven by keeping the law. If we confess our sins then God promises to forgive them. The good morals and behavior that you seem to believe will please God really do nothing with regard to the problem of sin.

sw

[eric]

Hi Cobalt 1959, I am a bit troubled about the way this thread is getting to a finger-pointing issue. I can see where tsth is coming from and in no way is she sounding self righteous to me. Nobody is suggesting that homosexuality is worse than any other sin. However is does come into the category of sexual immorality, which gets more coverage in both testaments than any other sin mentioned.

Now in saying that ,I don't expect when anyone accepts Christ as their Lord and saviour, that they automatically stop doing what they were doing immediately,but as floating axe, pointed out the reason for turning to the Lord in the first place, should not be only for saving yourself from the pit of hell, but seek Jesus to help you with a problem. So if homosexuality is a problem, you must know that it is wrong if you have got as far as repenting.From there on in, it's up to the person either to choose whether to follow their own fleshy desires or follow Jesus.

No one is claiming that's not hard, because in most cases it is. I am not talking about the hiccups that we stumble over in our daily christian walk, but deliberately sinning when you have been made clear of the circumstances. Far too much nit picking and hair splitting goes on. No one can argue against the scripture that Suzanne quoted from the bible and no one can say that she is pointing her finger at any specific brethren on this board, unless I have missed it.

[Scarletprayers]

eric I'm not trying to argue either, but 4 different people see her as saying something you say you don't see???

[Fiosh]

eric,

The problem I'm having is that tsth refuses to engage in discussion and prefers to pontificate. Whether or not it is intended, it comes across as self-righteous. She has not answered questions from several posters that were addressed to her. And, she implies that her interpretation of Scripture is the final word, and that anyone who dare disagree with her is "not believing in Scripture" and are "walking in the gray".

Here are some of her posts that reflect what I'm saying:

I don't think you can blame "society", I think it's the love of practicing evil.

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tsth,

If you believe that a person can lose their salvation through their actions then yes, a person who is a homosexual, or any other sin for that matter, is no longer a Christian until they repent.

(In answer to your question, no, I do not believe what you stated above. I do believe that they were not really saved in the first place, they are false conversions....

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So, is the general consensus that you do not believe the Scriptures? I always find it interesting when the majority would rather walk in gray than the obvious. Why do you not encourage/promote/teach what is written?

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So, wouldn't it be more profitable/edifying to teach from the passages I posted? Why walk in gray?

I never understand WHY there is always opposition to these teachings? Why would we want to go any other direction? These things are profitable and good.

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Many people seemingly misquote those passages regarding Paul.

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I find it interesting that much of your contention is with the Scriptures

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Then why the contention toward me? I have principally been posting the Word of God and encouraging to walk in the Spirit? So, why do people get so stirred when the posting of the Word with regard to "sin" comes up? I find this to be a consistent occurrence.

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Peace,

Fiosh