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Lady, I definately disagree and don't think the Bible teaches that at all.

Gymrose, you needn't try to justify yourself to me, I'm not God, just a person who is contributing my thoughts and beliefs on Scripture on a message board. And, like many others on this thread, you are turning it around to make it look like I'm saying "you must stay with an abuser/adulter". For the third time, nothing is further from the truth. God doesn't expect us to be idiots and stay where we are in physical harm, and He also permitted, although HATES, divorce if a spouse commits adultery. That is an entirely different issue than remarriage. Remarriage is forbidden in Scriptures. There is nothing that says "expcept if you ended up getting screwed by a real jerk." Yes, that is a terrible situation that I have compassion for, but the answer does not lie in rewriting the Scriptures to make it all better. It lies in the healing, comfort and miracles of God. For me it is very simple, and I don't see any reason to keep it going - it seems clear to me that Scripture says remarriage is adultery, unless the spouse is dead. Yes, that is hard to live with, so much so that people will rationalize and change it around to justify, or add their own interpretation to it - isn't that what we ALL do with sin? I'm not posting to belittle anyone or condemn anyone, I am simply giving my opinion of what Scripture says on the matter, just like everyone else is doing.

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Well, though there will be some who disagree with me, there is the "Pauline privilege" referring to if the unbelieving depart, let them depart. I know a person whose spouse has never been really willing to work, even with having a family, leaving it for the other spouse to do. Even after being essentially made to find a job, this person still looked for ways to quit or get fired from the job even making a threat the they would have to move out if not allowed to quit the job (under the auspices that the spouse was not willing to give their "okay" for this person to quit). Paul said that if one would not provide for their family, they were worse than an infidel, which I believe gets translated as unbeliever in some versions. I think in this situation, though the person says they are a Christian, the spouse, whom I'm very close to, would not be "under bondage" as Paul states. Am I wrong? I don't think so, but if I am, God show me as I would not want to mislead anyone.


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Okay. :) Perhaps I should have said that you needn't explain anything to me because you don't 'owe' me that. :) Nobody should feel guilty by hearing someone else's opinion if they are secure in the choices they have made.


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JMO Ronald, but I think that is a huge stretch. Somewhere, people have gotten this idea that they are "entitled" to certain things, and if the other person isn't the picture of what they think is a Biblical spouse, then they can find all sorts of Scripture to justify a divorce. None of us is 'entitled' to a thing. This is life, sometimes it really hurts and is hard, but the avenues of prayer and faith are seldom called on - that's way too much work - it's so much easier to just get a divorce and justify it somehow. JMO


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Gymrose: that's ditto for me.

All I can say is I already know without any doubt that remarriage is NOT a sin because God doesn't sin.

I have absolutely NO ...zero...doubt that God Himself put this marriage together. I have an inner witness that beautifully confirms it.

For the first time in my life I have a home I look forward to coming home to; I can rest easy, knowing I won't be beaten, I have a friend and lover, instead of a maniac who I married when I was lost and strung out on drugs.

I don't see any different between me getting a piece of paper from the Justice of the Peace to say we're married and the other men I slept with (before I was saved, that is).

I was a "party girl" and went to all the heavy-metal vomit parties and got high and totally wiped out and lived like the devil himself.

So....how is that sin less than the one where I legally tied the knot with an occultists who beat me and then decided to grant him a divorce, (which he asked for )...I see NO difference. Sin is sin.

How is it anymore sin to "remarry" than to spend your life lusting after other people.

Marriage serves a good purpose to keep us restrained in our flesh...thank goodness for that provision! Some of us might have a tough time.

Sin is sin is sin...and WIP, I can assure you that I am very married to my husband and am NOT committing adultery on my "ex" husband.

He's not married but he's proudly announced his conquests after he left me. All the better for me....he's now not only an unbeliever who's departed from me but he's also confirmed I'm free to remarry now because he is clearly unfaithful...and has proudly slept around with other women.

I'm not going back into the arms of a man who's held other women ...no way.

I'm with a man whos sleeping only with me, doesn't cheat, and has eyes only for me.

Likewise. So we are totally committed and love each other. I rest in the peace of the Holy Spirit and know full well I am NOT committing adultery.


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it's so much easier to just get a divorce and justify it somehow. JMO

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LOL, shoulda clarified that that is the case with so many divorces today. The majority in fact. Just look at the scenario that Ronald posted. "He won't work - that's Biblical grounds for a divorce". Uh, huh??. Divorce has become the easy fix-all, and worse, the government makes it very easy to attain. What a shame that, as I said, so many just grab that unBiblical solution when God has solutions that they won't bother with.

Of course, there are those who never want a divorce and it was forced on them. I understand that, and I'm sorry you went through it. You needn't tape your mouth, lol. :)


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JMO Ronald, but I think that is a huge stretch. Somewhere, people have gotten this idea that they are "entitled" to certain things, and if the other person isn't the picture of what they think is a Biblical spouse, then they can find all sorts of Scripture to justify a divorce. None of us is 'entitled' to a thing. This is life, sometimes it really hurts and is hard, but the avenues of prayer and faith are seldom called on - that's way too much work - it's so much easier to just get a divorce and justify it somehow. JMO

Well, I don't disagree with you totally. You are right. Too many marriages end in divorce that could have been worked out. I worked with a girl once who saw a guy she liked and made a comment as to how he was married, but she could take care of that problem! Not enough respect for marriage, but that IS NOT indicative of GymRose or others who have a clear Biblically allowed chance to re-marry. The situation I speak of with this person is also one in which the spouse has been caught lying on several occassions, even while claiming to be a Christian. The spouse has been well advised to take it to the Lord in prayer! I know God is in the marriage saving business and He will work things out!!!


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I hope so Ronald! God is a God of miracles. All too often though, we see what is wrong with the other person and either anger keeps us from real faith and prayer, or we are busy praying that God will change them. It isn't until one realizes that they must lay down ALL of "the other person" at God's feet and start praying that God will change themselves that miracles happen. So many people claim to have the Spirit, claim that Christ is Lord of their life, when, in fact, they are still lord and believe they know what is best and what needs done.


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I hope so Ronald! God is a God of miracles. All too often though, we see what is wrong with the other person and either anger keeps us from real faith and prayer, or we are busy praying that God will change them. It isn't until one realizes that they must lay down ALL of "the other person" at God's feet and start praying that God will change themselves that miracles happen. So many people claim to have the Spirit, claim that Christ is Lord of their life, when, in fact, they are still lord and believe they know what is best and what needs done.

I have to agree wholeheartedly there!

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i know without a doubt that, years after my first divorce, when i asked for God's forgiveness, it was granted, and He says in His word that my sins are forgotten. i also know that, at that time, i also committed my life to God... and in His word, He says that i was made a new person in Christ.

and i also know that God loved me enough to bless me with a husband that He had chosen for me. and i didn't ask God for specific qualities... i only asked Him to bring me HIS very best for me... and He did.

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