Illegal Immigrant Accused of Execution Style Murder

[WayneB]

The focus wasn't on the man but rather it was on the illegal immigrant.

The focus was the fact that he is illegal, and that these murders wouldn't have happened if he hadn't been here illegally. That's the outrage. The government should have seen to it that he was gone.

No one has said or implied that they are all violent criminals. But they are all criminals, just by being here.

The way I read this statement...

"When all of the southern border of the US is speaking spanish, or engaged in a civil war, people like you can stand on your pedestals of righteousness and watch while our countrymen are murdered in the streets."

...to me, it seems to imply that violence (murder) and civil war is imminent unless all these illegals are rounded up and deported.

Maybe I just read it wrong.

ONE more point and I quit...

...I cannot quote statistics but I can testify. I have ministered in the county jail for over 8 years and in the past, have helped my wife with medical mission work in the Mississippi Delta region. I am sure that many of the folks we have come across in the delta are illegals but we don't care; we simply offer them the assistance they need as the Lord leads us. Regardless, I have never seen one of them in the county jail. I have seen some drug runners, those who were passing through and got caught. Otherwise, the average "illegal immigrant" keeps a low profile and usually keeps to his work on the catfish farms and sweet potato farms. NOW do not get me wrong... they are not angels nor are they or should be above the law. I just do not like seeing FEAR spread especially when it unwarranted.

FDR said, "So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself -- nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance."

Edited August 14, 2007 by Wayne B.

[Leonard]

Burning Ember?

Have you had time yet to re-read my posts here, and see if I EVER mentioned 'race?'

I'm still waiting for that apology. It would indicate a touch of class on your part to retract your completely unjustified comments.......

[WayneB]

Violence and murder are already here. Have you heard about MS13 or La Raza? MS13 is a violent Mexican gang that is trying to gain control of the southern border. La Raza is a Mexican activist group that believes California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas were wrongly taken away from the Mexicans and that they do not respect our border, because they believe the true Mexican border is much further north.

Comparing this to the genocide of the jewish people is an unfair/innacurate comparison. The Jewish people were not illegal nationals in Europe, they were Germans, Polish, Italian, French, English, etc.

Look up MS13 and La Raza and understand that many more illegal immigrants in this country buy into their agenda than we care to admit.

I here ya' brother but what about the Crips and the Bloods? I live in Mississippi and the problem with gang influence is getting worse. I see it in the jails. Just in the past few months, we have had 4 young men killed execution style... in small town Mississippi. ALL due to gangs of legal citizens!

By the way, my comparison was not the genocide of the Jews but rather the Jew's attitude towards the Samaritans in ancient Israel. I agree that the genocide of the Jews would be an unfair comparison.

[JustinM]

I was speaking from a historical perspective. When 2 nations attempt to live on the same land, conflict soon follows. There are many thousands of Mexicans that much of the southern US belongs to them, that we took the land from them illegally. They want to take it back, but in the mean time, they will not recognize the current border as it is identified.

Anyone can see that trouble is brewing and there will be great conflict one day, if things continue unchanged. The illegal immigrant population is failing to assimilate into American Society.

Pay close attention. Some already believe they are at war with the US, they will be encouraged by our "tolerance."

Every law broken, every act of civil disobedience on their part, is their little way of waging war against us. It will get worse.

[JustinM]

Violence and murder are already here. Have you heard about MS13 or La Raza? MS13 is a violent Mexican gang that is trying to gain control of the southern border. La Raza is a Mexican activist group that believes California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas were wrongly taken away from the Mexicans and that they do not respect our border, because they believe the true Mexican border is much further north.

Comparing this to the genocide of the jewish people is an unfair/innacurate comparison. The Jewish people were not illegal nationals in Europe, they were Germans, Polish, Italian, French, English, etc.

Look up MS13 and La Raza and understand that many more illegal immigrants in this country buy into their agenda than we care to admit.

I here ya' brother but what about the Crips and the Bloods? I live in Mississippi and the problem with gang influence is getting worse. I see it in the jails. Just in the past few months, we have had 4 young men killed execution style... in small town Mississippi. ALL due to gangs of legal citizens!

By the way, my comparison was not the genocide of the Jews but rather the Jew's attitude towards the Samaritans in ancient Israel. I agree that the genocide of the Jews would be an unfair comparison.

Crips and Bloods, are violent criminals, and American gang violence is an internal problem that we are having difficulties dealing with, we don't need external violent criminals to add to the problem.

We will not be able to stop the gangs, so long as their members feel like they are the victims of an "oppressive country".

When I am having car trouble, I don't want to deal with a bunch of problems at once, so I fix whateve small problem I am having immediately. The same can be said aboud gang violence. We have a big enough problem on our hands with the nationals. Having a porous border and sanctuary cities just make things worse. It's a big problem we will all have to face one day. The sooner the better.

[kat8585]

Well, if we would just eliminate this problem, and it can be eliminated, we will have a lot less problems.

We should spend whatever it takes, because we will be saving tons of money in the long run.

[WayneB]

Well, if we would just eliminate this problem, and it can be eliminated, we will have a lot less problems.

We should spend whatever it takes, because we will be saving tons of money in the long run.

...if only it really was that easy.

[kat8585]

Well, if we would just eliminate this problem, and it can be eliminated, we will have a lot less problems.

We should spend whatever it takes, because we will be saving tons of money in the long run.

...if only it really was that easy.

It won't be easy, but it can be done. The problem, the current bunch, in both parties, won't, with the exception of a few heroic Republicans who truly care about this country. And that, sadly, will be our undoing unless we wake up, big time.

[Leonard]

Burning Ember?

Have you had time yet to re-read my posts here, and see if I EVER mentioned 'race?'

I'm still waiting for that apology. It would indicate a touch of class on your part to retract your completely unjustified comments.......

It's been another day Burning Ember. Are you a slow reader? Still waiting...................

[Burning_Ember]

Burning Ember?

Have you had time yet to re-read my posts here, and see if I EVER mentioned 'race?'

I'm still waiting for that apology. It would indicate a touch of class on your part to retract your completely unjustified comments.......

It's been another day Burning Ember. Are you a slow reader? Still waiting...................

Actually I'm a rather fast reader. I was rather busy for a few days, as at times I have more pressing issues than posting on Worthyboards, and I just got back from taking my dog to the vet because she at same glass.

But I would be glad to explain myself. I never said you mentioned race, you mentioned illegal immigrants. Look You said this.

I am reminded that 'Figures don't lie; but LIARS FIGURE!' Thirty% of the Federal Felons from among 10% of the population, is a little hard to refute!

I'd go further, but Marx's disciples are not interested in the truth, only in whatever they can do to harm America.

If group x is over-represented in jail, that does not mean it is because they ARE group x.

For example, if we take your post and change the statistics and group mentioned, it probably doesn't sound so good. Lets pretend you were talking about blacks.

[madeup]

http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/incarceration/

I am reminded that 'Figures don't lie; but LIARS FIGURE!' 44% of the prison population from among 12% of the population, is a little hard to refute!

I'd go further, but Marx's disciples are not interested in the truth, only in whatever they can do to harm America.

[/madeup]

I'd like to see the source for the statistic you cited. Even if they are true, that doesn't mean illegal immigrants are more likely to commit crimes because they are illegal immigrants and are over-represented, just as blacks don't commit more crimes because they are black, and are over-represented in jails. That would be a racist claim to make. When I update my vaccinations and put on my biohazard suit, I go see what White Nationalists/Supremists argue, and the above (as well as your post, given the changes) is pretty much exactly what they say.

Its not racist to argue that illegal immigrants, who broke the law by immigrating illegally, should be deported. Its not racist to argue that illegals who break the law should be deported. But it IS racist to argue that illegals commit more crimes because they are illegals, explained above.