Rev. 18

[angels4u]

Can somebody give me a explanation of what this means....and is this talking about Babylon (Iraq?)-I think it does .......???-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Chapter 18

1After these things I saw another angel coming down out of heaven, having great authority; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2And he cried with a mighty voice, saying, Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, and is become a habitation of demons, and a hold of every unclean spirit, and a hold of every unclean and hateful bird. 3For by the wine of the wrath of her fornication all the nations are fallen; and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth waxed rich by the power of her wantonness. 4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come forth, my people, out of her, that ye have no fellowship with her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues: 5for her sins have reached even unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6Render unto her even as she rendered, and double [unto her] the double according to her works: in the cup which she mingled, mingle unto her double. 7How much soever she glorified herself, and waxed wanton, so much give her of torment and mourning: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall in no wise see mourning. 8Therefore in one day shall her plagues come, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire; for strong is the Lord God who judged her. 9And the kings of the earth, who committed fornication and lived wantonly with her, shall weep and wail over her, when they look upon the smoke of her burning, 10standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. 11 And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, for no man buyeth their merchandise any more; 12merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stone, and pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet; and all thyine wood, and every vessel of ivory, and every vessel made of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble; 13and cinnamon, and spice, and incense, and ointment, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and cattle, and sheep; and [merchandise] of horses and chariots and slaves; and souls of men. 14And the fruits which thy soul lusted after are gone from thee, and all things that were dainty and sumptuous are perished from thee, and [men] shall find them no more at all. 15The merchants of these things, who were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and mourning; 16saying, Woe, woe, the great city, she that was arrayed in fine linen and purple and scarlet, and decked with gold and precious stone and pearl! 17for in an hour so great riches is made desolate. And every shipmaster, and every one that saileth any wither, and mariners, and as many as gain their living by sea, stood afar off, 18and cried out as they looked upon the smoke of her burning, saying, What [city] is like the great city? 19And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and mourning, saying, Woe, woe, the great city, wherein all that had their ships in the sea were made rich by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. 20Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye saints, and ye apostles, and ye prophets; for God hath judged your judgment on her. 21And a strong angel took up a stone as it were a great millstone and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with a mighty fall shall Babylon, the great city, be cast down, and shall be found no more at all. 22And the voice of harpers and minstrels and flute-players and trumpeters shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft, shall be found any more at all in thee; and the voice of a mill shall be heard no more at all in thee; 23and the light of a lamp shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the princes of the earth; for with thy sorcery were all the nations deceived. 24And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that have been slain upon the earth.

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[Brad]

Was Jerusalem Mystery Babylon?

Would John have known this woman???

Is she the United Nations??? Rome??? Apostate Christianity??? How do the Scriptures describe her? And does her description fit that of any other in the Bible?

A Harlot

Rev 17:5

. . . and upon her forehead a name was written, a mystery,

[Guest idolsmasher]

It certainly isn't Iraq!!! It appears to be a great trading nation that makes the all the world merchants rich. There's only one nation today that fits that bill, the ultimate materialistic and rich society that rules the earth.

This doesn't sound like Iraq at all:

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Now do you have an idea?

[Guest shiloh357]

Was Jerusalem Mystery Babylon?

Would John have known this woman???

Is she the United Nations??? Rome??? Apostate Christianity??? How do the Scriptures describe her? And does her description fit that of any other in the Bible?

A Harlot

Rev 17:5

. . . and upon her forehead a name was written, a mystery,

[nebula]

Aaargh!

What is this debate doing in the "Hebrew Roots" forum????!!!!

[Brad]

I'll move it to conterversal Issues

[angels4u]

To me it sounds like it could be Iraq, but also Rome because it mentions the harlot church and this is not only a religious system but also a very great commercial establishment it does controle the worlds market.. ??

[Guest idolsmasher]

How do you see that the Catholic church controls the world's markets???? How has Iraq made rich all that have ships in the sea? Who really epitomises the greatest economic power in the world? Who reigns over the kings of the earth??? Certainly not Iraq. The whore cannot be both Iraq and the Catholic church for one thing and I would say it is neither because they don't fit into tthese things I have just mentioned. It has to be somebody else who fits these things. Think real hard! :whistle:

[Guest shadow2b]

-. It has to be somebody else who fits these things. Think real hard!

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[angels4u]

Idol, if you are thinking it could be" New York" I don't think so...