Gods "Plan" for your life

[kari21]

Sounds like a recipe for damnation to me. Justaguy, please rethink that one. God will know if you try to repent just to avoid hell.

Isn't that the whole idea? Repenting to avoid Gods wrath?

Doesn't the thought of punishment cause one to flee to Gods mercy?

Actually, the main reason most seek God is to have eternal life through a personal relationship with Him. Avoiding hell is part of it, of course, but if that is one's only reason to repent and seek Him, it's a self serving reason and....He will send them away. Where is Fresno Joe when I need him? I can't remember the Scripture that tells us this!

And yet, if one doesn't think there is a danger, they won't run from it. What keeps most bad people from otherwise committing a crime? Is it because they know the judge loves them and just wants the best for their lives, and they respect that? Or is it because they know if they do the crime, punishment awaits?

I think it's telling that Jesus spoke more about hell than any other person in the Bible. Almost as much as he spoke about heaven.

[7thseal]

justaguy,

I trust my wife with my life... because she has shown me that she loves me. Yet I don't trust her with my life after death in case there is such a thing, because I don't trust that she has no more power over death than I do.

I trust Jesus with my life after death, because he has shown me that he loves me, claimed power over death and hasn't yet been proven wrong by the words he spoke and the actions he took.

Lets say that Jesus faked the world out like no man in history has ever done, and there is no heaven or hell after trusting Him for the rest of my life. Why I haven't lost a thing when I die.... I will never know that I ever existed. Everything that every person on this earth has ever done will be for.......nothing. Some claim thats what everything started from.

Lets say that the words spoken by Jesus turns out to be truth and I chose not to trust Him before I died, what have I lost? love, peace, hope, joy, fellowship with a God that offered to share His Kingdom with me.

He asks that we trust Him.....which is the same as believing Him.

[Guest Biblicist]

Yep. By our disobedience, we can foil God's sovereign plan. But He has another.

This statement makes no sense to me. If we can foil a plan but He has another that supercedes it, then we foiled no plan at all.

Quite right Smiles.

God only has ONE plan for the lives of his chosen ones. NOT a plan A; and if you mess up , Plan B, Plan C, Plan D. . . etc. Everything in our lives is in HIS perfect sovereign plan. And ALL glory goes to Him.

*edited for spelling!

[MrLuke]

When He is ready to change my mind, I will be ready to accept Jesus as my personal Saviour. It's that simple. And He won't let me down either.

I don't understand.. how can you have so much trust in a god you don't believe in?

If you are willing to trust your life and everlasting soul into that now, why can't you accept and trust that Jesus is God now and then let God transform your mind more and more thereafter, so then you can come into better understanding by the power of the Holy Spirit?

[Floatingaxe]

When He is ready to change my mind, I will be ready to accept Jesus as my personal Saviour. It's that simple. And He won't let me down either.

I don't understand.. how can you have so much trust in a god you don't believe in?

If you are willing to trust your life and everlasting soul into that now, why can't you accept and trust that Jesus is God now and then let God transform your mind more and more thereafter, so then you can come into better understanding by the power of the Holy Spirit?

So true!

[Floatingaxe]

Yep. By our disobedience, we can foil God's sovereign plan. But He has another.

This statement makes no sense to me. If we can foil a plan but He has another that supercedes it, then we foiled no plan at all.

Quite right Smiles.

God only has ONE plan for the lives of his chosen ones. NOT a plan A; and if you mess up , Plan B, Plan C, Plan D. . . etc. Everything in our lives is in HIS perfect sovereign plan. And ALL glory goes to Him.

*edited for spelling!

You don't believe a Christian can say no to God? What about Jonah? He found himself in a fish for 3 days. That was his detour for saying no. Same with us. If we deny God's direction, He will put before us another plan to reach the same outcome. Or He could set us aside in favour of someone else who will do it.

I do think we are agreeing here.

[RedNick261]

Rhema is not an extrabiblical concept!

Take a gander: http://ati.iblp.org/ati/family/articles/concepts/rhema/

Have you read the site you linked? The instances and usage of "rhema" in the Greek text is not speaking of some special revelation given to somehow alter (or specify in a different context) Scripture, it's simply talking about God's spoken word. I should correct myself and say that the context in which you use "rhema" is extra-biblical.

[Floatingaxe]

Rhema is not an extrabiblical concept!

Take a gander: http://ati.iblp.org/ati/family/articles/concepts/rhema/

Have you read the site you linked? The instances and usage of "rhema" in the Greek text is not speaking of some special revelation given to somehow alter (or specify in a different context) Scripture, it's simply talking about God's spoken word. I should correct myself and say that the context in which you use "rhema" is extra-biblical.

No it's not.

http://www.hissheep.org/messages/the_word_of_his_power.html

[RedNick261]

Rhema is not an extrabiblical concept!

Take a gander: http://ati.iblp.org/ati/family/articles/concepts/rhema/

Have you read the site you linked? The instances and usage of "rhema" in the Greek text is not speaking of some special revelation given to somehow alter (or specify in a different context) Scripture, it's simply talking about God's spoken word. I should correct myself and say that the context in which you use "rhema" is extra-biblical.

No it's not.

Prove it.

God's written Word is totally relevant to every age and every person. Yes Jeremiah was prophesying to Israel. Yes, God is speaking to us. Yes, God is specifically speaking to me--that is Rhema.

On point one, you're right. On point two, you're right. On point three, you're right, but not in the context that you use it. On point four, you're absolutely wrong.

That is how God's Word meets us where we are at! That is how God speaks to each one of us!

No, He meets us where we are through study and worship. He speaks to each one of us likewise. Taking Scripture out of context and trying to apply it somehow is dishonest and, honestly, dangerous, especially when one's entire theology is based upon it.

That is why God calls it "living and active".

Where?

It's the Holy Spirit working through the written Word to make it come alive to my heart and provoke change in me...and you.

So, tell me. Does Revelation 22:18 mean anything to you?

[Floatingaxe]

Rhema is not an extrabiblical concept!

Take a gander: http://ati.iblp.org/ati/family/articles/concepts/rhema/

Have you read the site you linked? The instances and usage of "rhema" in the Greek text is not speaking of some special revelation given to somehow alter (or specify in a different context) Scripture, it's simply talking about God's spoken word. I should correct myself and say that the context in which you use "rhema" is extra-biblical.

No it's not.

Prove it.

God's written Word is totally relevant to every age and every person. Yes Jeremiah was prophesying to Israel. Yes, God is speaking to us. Yes, God is specifically speaking to me--that is Rhema.

On point one, you're right. On point two, you're right. On point three, you're right, but not in the context that you use it. On point four, you're absolutely wrong.

That is how God's Word meets us where we are at! That is how God speaks to each one of us!

No, He meets us where we are through study and worship. He speaks to each one of us likewise. Taking Scripture out of context and trying to apply it somehow is dishonest and, honestly, dangerous, especially when one's entire theology is based upon it.

That is why God calls it "living and active".

Where?

It's the Holy Spirit working through the written Word to make it come alive to my heart and provoke change in me...and you.

So, tell me. Does Revelation 22:18 mean anything to you?

You display a lack of knowledge about the Word of God, if you haven't any familiarity with this verse...

Hebrews 4:12

For the Word that God speaks is alive and full of power [making it active, operative, energizing, and effective]; it is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating to the dividing line of the breath of life (soul) and [the immortal] spirit, and of joints and marrow [of the deepest parts of our nature], exposing and sifting and analyzing and judging the very thoughts and purposes of the heart.

Of course God meets us through study and worship! Don't forget to add prayer. That is two-way commubication with God.

With regard to your Revelation 22:18 crack..you have no idea what I am talking about, do you? Instead of running off and declaring people WRONG, why don't you ask them what they mean?

Read the links I gave, ask about it. There is no error there. The Word of God is alive and powerful and active in our lives to do His work in us, and to powerfully enable us to follow after Jesus Christ, and to share the Word with authority. It changes us from the inside out.