Women and head coverings

[papasangel]

Thats ok Eric we have fire extinguishers lol But seriously inour church that I attend we wear coverings and notjust in church..We do not believe incutting our hair either except if a medical emergency brain surgery. A lot of women who do wear the covering is submitting yes but not in the way many people think. We do it with cheerfulness and gladness because we believ it to be pleasing to God. I thas nothing to do with being under a mans thumb but about accepting headship in the church.

[eric]

Hey, whoa down a bit here. I never said anything about being submissive or under a man' thumb. It is not my concern whether women wear a head covering or not, I merely stated that if I started going to church again, I would ask my wife to wear a covering, and whether she did or nor would be entirely up to her. Fortunately she and I are in complete agreement when it comes to our beliefs and faith and now that by God's grace she has completely recovered and back into the word I am sure she wouldn't have to be asked. Sorry but I'm not trying to be controversial about anything, merely just making some observations

[Nebuchadnezza10]

FYI: there is a short explanation on head coverings at the beginning of this thread. Hope it makes scene.

[ColleenLovesMischief]

I need to start wearing a head covering of some sort even if it's just a headscarf. And I do believe in being submissive to my husband if he told me to wear one I would. Last I checked the word 'obey' was in my wedding vows.

[stevehut]

Greetings, all...

I have attend a couple of churches where all of the women are required to wear a hat. When I asked about it, they said it's required in the Bible, although no one could tell me exactly where to find it. Seems to me just a little disturbing, that in a group of people where this is such a central distinguishjing doctrine, that so many people don't know how to defend it. It's just a tradition that they follow because someone told them they should.

Upon further discussion, I learned that some of the women in these churches search high and low, and spend huge amounts of money for the right "church hat". It sometimes becomes a fashion contest, where the women argue over who is honoring God more, based upon the quality of the hat they wear.

In my estimation, this lack of doctrinal literacy is infinitely more important than being "correct" in any single doctrine.

As someone already said, the greek grammar for this passage is not entirely clear. It is possible that the "covering" that Paul speaks of is a woman's hair; she should have long hair, to be feminine, rather than short and masculine.

Also, it says that a head covering (whatever the actual "covering" might be) is supposed to be a sign of submission. Therefore, rather than enforcing a rule for hats or scarves, I'd be more interested to see if the women of the congregation actually hold the submissive attitudes that the passage speaks of.

[Catsmeow]

Finally, a post that makes sense....Amen to that!

[irishcowboy]

ummmm

if the women start wearing them hats with them big ol' feathers in them to church again, I am going to start wearing my ten gallon hat to the movies......

I remember the day when the women did "have" to wear hats to church.... I too, remember seeing ladies sitting with a hankie on their heads... odd, I always thought..........

there are some people that will wear what ever they want, but if they think they will be seen by some one from church, they have to have a dress on, or a tie or they will be looked down upon..... on lady will wear slacks in the house, but if she thinks that some one from the church is coming by, will put on her dress, until she thinks it is safe to put her slacks back on....

does it really matter what we wear? as long as we are covered????

hows this for a scenario;

a young lady wanting to be obedient to what people have told her about having to wear hats, or a head covering, so wears a scarf but also wears a very nice sundress that matches, but has to be very conscience about how she sits, and has to keep tugging at the dress to try and cover her legs, she is covered, but the dress is also low cut, and.... anyways....

would it not be better to have the body more conservativly covered? where their is less chance of of wondering eyes from the young men??? and have the head uncovered??? or do we have to maintain that it is more improper for a woman to have her head uncovered, but she can have most of the rest of her body visible???

the way I see it, if a woman dresses like a woman, she is doing right ( that dont mean she has to wear a hat, or cant wear pants either ) and if a man dresses like a man, he is doing right, ( that dont mean he cant wear his kilt ) just so long as they are not trying to look like the other gender.....

if a man with longer hair still looks like a man, then that is good... if a woman with shorter hair still looks like a woman, then that is good....

wasn't it the Nazarites that wore their hair long? as in like Samson......

personally, I thing a woman with long hair is more attractive in all ways then one that is trying to look like a man...

anyways..... the human hair has a purpose, it is for protection from the elements, helps keep you warm in the winter, and protects from the sun in the summer....

Jesus wants us to understand this, Never give up.

Refuse to put God in a box limited by our own understanding.

mike

[papasangel]

Sorry Eric I know you didn't say anything like that, but I was trying to make a point about some people think that if a woman wears a covering she is being "oppressed" or under a man's thumb.

Wome who do wear prayer coverings , or vielings or bonnets do so not because of being forced to but because we believe we are obeying God's commandment. Many are under the impression that just because a woman submits to a man in her home she is under duress when that is not the case at all. The headship of the house is man. The headship is as follows God, Christ, man, woman. Christ is accountable to God. Man is accountable under Christ, and a man is accountable to God through Christ to take responsibility and care for his family.

A woman who submits to her husband is glorified. For that husband loves and revers her. He cares for her like precious treasure. We do not feel like we are being oppressed, just the opposite we feel loved and cared for and protected.

[Catsmeow]

I hope people remember that when you see a woman with short hair, don't assume she has it because she wants it. Some people lose their hair when getting chemotherapy...and it grows back slowly.

Others cut their hair in order to make it easier to manage during serious illness. Long hair takes a lot more effort to maintain, (I know from experience...I've had to cut mine and it was hard to do, believe me).

We live in a world where we don't know what's going on in people's lives..and it's not our business anyway.

Younger women look nice with long hair but as women ages, it's more fitting for them to keep their hair shorter and nicely styled. Long hair is lovely on a younger lady. Shorter modest styles look nice for older ladies.

This really is a matter of personal taste, IMO.

[papasangel]

Mr and Mrs Irish you make a wonderful point.

A woman does not have to dress like a strumpet to be admired. A modest woman is prized by men and respected. Dressing modestly wether like the Amish and conservative Mennonites do or Muslim women or a nice well done dress here in America and elsewhere is what we should strive for.

I remember attending a wedding a while back wher a "lady" was dressed in an outfit so abbreviated that if she took a deep breath she ran the risk of becoming topless and if she bent over well you know what I mean. That is not modesty. That is someone crying out LOOK AT ME! SEE ME!. Not to be unkind to her there were many remarks made by the young men and ladies of the congregation behind her back mocking her (which is wrong) and suggestive remarks too.

She in all probality is a very sweet lady who is insecure in her feminity. A secure woman does not have to advertise and bare all for the world to see. A secure woman feels comfortable in clothes that cover her body modestly.

My daughters do not dress as conservative as I do. Thats ok because they also do not dress in clothes that reveal their body parts like the belly button etc. In fact both of them are very cheerful about wearing modest clothes. Of course we don't see eye to eye on the pants thing but I have learned to choose my battles wisley and as the years go by I find them in pants less and less and in feminine clothing more and more. I don't make an issue of it because I know that If I show by example it will rub off eventually. And it is.