Has anyone ever done a study on.....?

[nanasimmons]

I am interested in hearing about any studies done on Jesus' death outside the city of Jerusalem.....

Heb 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

Heb 13:10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

Heb 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Heb 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

[tsth]

You might read Leviticus 16. - regarding the practice for atonement. It is what Heb. 13:11 is referencing.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[MeCajunboy]

I am interested in hearing about any studies done on Jesus' death outside the city of Jerusalem.....

Heb 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

Heb 13:10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

Heb 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Heb 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

Not sure what your question is referencing? Does not coincide with the scripts/versus. Confused?

[tsth]

I am interested in hearing about any studies done on Jesus' death outside the city of Jerusalem.....

Heb 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

Heb 13:10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

Heb 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Heb 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

Not sure what your question is referencing? Does not coincide with the scripts/versus. Confused?

She is referring to Heb. 13:12 and 13:13, where it is talking about suffering "outside" the gate and "outside" the camp.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Openly Curious]

I am interested in hearing about any studies done on Jesus' death outside the city of Jerusalem.....

Heb 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

Heb 13:10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

Heb 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Heb 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

This passage is referring to when a "sin" offering was made for the high priest or for the congregation. The remaining parts of the bull used for the offering was to be taken outside of the camp and burned. The sin offering was done to atone for the sins one had committed unknowingly and especially where there was no restitution that could be made by one not being possible. Then the sin offering was of no avail in cases of defiant or wilfull rebellion against God. (Numbers 15:30, 31)

You should read Leviticus 4:11, 12, 20, 21 (really should read) 4:1--5:13 (for greater understanding) & 6:24-30

This particular offering was a type and shadow that was showing us the fact that in Christ's death that Christ became sin for us 2 Corinthians 5:21 also it forshadowed to us that Christ had suffered outside of the gates of Jerusalem as it said in the passage of your reference in Hebrew 13:11-13.

I will just talk now from memory as there is just too many scriptural references that would be involved at this point but I'm sure you will see what I am talking about. how that Jesus did indeed suffer without the gates of Jerusalem. When it came time for Jesus to manifest Himself to the Jews as He was the promised Messiah the very first miracle that he did was turn the water into wine at Cana. Jesus had came unto his own but his own recieved Him not. Jesus had came to the people of Israel the Jews but yet they rejected Jesus each time He was in Jerusalem they said He cast out devils by Beelzebub and the Pharisees didn't like Him because their very own seats of authority as religious leaders was threatened by Jesus.

There were time where Jesus was in Jerusalem and had to sneak out as the Jews sought to catch him and kill Him but it was not yet His time to be crucified. Because of this continual rejection the Jews had toward the promised Messiah sent to them by God Jesus had to revert to the county sides living outside the gates of Jerusalem because He was not being recieved as the Christ. Jesus had sent word to Herod once that foxes have holes to live in but the Son of Man had not even a place to lay His head. Jesus had to suffer outside of the city of Jersualem being not recieved but yet He was the King of kings and Lord of lords and His own people rejected Him as such treating Him cruelly.

Then you had the scene when He rode up to Jerusalem and in the word it said, "I come lo and riding on a donkey" as they put palms leaves down in His path crying Hosanna, Hosanna to the highest. These words were later spoken, "if the people didn't cry out then the rocks would cry out in their place."

When Jesus time had come he went up to Jerusalem and gave Himself willingly as the sin offering for the sins of mankind as the Jews rejected and crucified Him and salvation went to the ends of the earth. They crucified and hung Jesus on a cross at the place called Golgotha's hill the place of the skull which was outside the city gates of Jerusalem for the sins of mankind as Jesus carried His own cross as he went and was spat upon, mock and beaten.

And as the passage goes on to say "for here we have no continuing city but we look for one to come." Just as Jesus conquered death for us we too shall rise and we too shall see the New Jerusalem the city not made with hands. We also will have to go through persecution for our faith but if we endure till the end knowing only in part shall pass away.

Well I hope I have made some sense in trying to explain to you how Jesus has become this old testament sin offering for us offering Himself willing on the cross suffering just outside the city walls of Jerusalem He suffered outside the gates as He became sin for us making atonement by His shed blood.

blessings

OC

[nanasimmons]

I am interested in hearing about any studies done on Jesus' death outside the city of Jerusalem.....

Heb 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

Heb 13:10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

Heb 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Heb 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

This passage is referring to when a "sin" offering was made for the high priest or for the congregation. The remaining parts of the bull used for the offering was to be taken outside of the camp and burned. The sin offering was done to atone for the sins one had committed unknowingly and especially where there was no restitution that could be made by one not being possible. Then the sin offering was of no avail in cases of defiant or wilfull rebellion against God. (Numbers 15:30, 31)

You should read Leviticus 4:11, 12, 20, 21 (really should read) 4:1--5:13 (for greater understanding) & 6:24-30

This particular offering was a type and shadow that was showing us the fact that in Christ's death that Christ became sin for us 2 Corinthians 5:21 also it forshadowed to us that Christ had suffered outside of the gates of Jerusalem as it said in the passage of your reference in Hebrew 13:11-13.

I will just talk now from memory as there is just too many scriptural references that would be involved at this point but I'm sure you will see what I am talking about. how that Jesus did indeed suffer without the gates of Jerusalem. When it came time for Jesus to manifest Himself to the Jews as He was the promised Messiah the very first miracle that he did was turn the water into wine at Cana. Jesus had came unto his own but his own recieved Him not. Jesus had came to the people of Israel the Jews but yet they rejected Jesus each time He was in Jerusalem they said He cast out devils by Beelzebub and the Pharisees didn't like Him because their very own seats of authority as religious leaders was threatened by Jesus.

There were time where Jesus was in Jerusalem and had to sneak out as the Jews sought to catch him and kill Him but it was not yet His time to be crucified. Because of this continual rejection the Jews had toward the promised Messiah sent to them by God Jesus had to revert to the county sides living outside the gates of Jerusalem because He was not being recieved as the Christ. Jesus had sent word to Herod once that foxes have holes to live in but the Son of Man had not even a place to lay His head. Jesus had to suffer outside of the city of Jersualem being not recieved but yet He was the King of kings and Lord of lords and His own people rejected Him as such treating Him cruelly.

Then you had the scene when He rode up to Jerusalem and in the word it said, "I come lo and riding on a donkey" as they put palms leaves down in His path crying Hosanna, Hosanna to the highest. These words were later spoken, "if the people didn't cry out then the rocks would cry out in their place."

When Jesus time had come he went up to Jerusalem and gave Himself willingly as the sin offering for the sins of mankind as the Jews rejected and crucified Him and salvation went to the ends of the earth. They crucified and hung Jesus on a cross at the place called Golgotha's hill the place of the skull which was outside the city gates of Jerusalem for the sins of mankind as Jesus carried His own cross as he went and was spat upon, mock and beaten.

And as the passage goes on to say "for here we have no continuing city but we look for one to come." Just as Jesus conquered death for us we too shall rise and we too shall see the New Jerusalem the city not made with hands. We also will have to go through persecution for our faith but if we endure till the end knowing only in part shall pass away.

Well I hope I have made some sense in trying to explain to you how Jesus has become this old testament sin offering for us offering Himself willing on the cross suffering just outside the city walls of Jerusalem He suffered outside the gates as He became sin for us making atonement by His shed blood.

blessings

OC

And as the passage goes on to say "for here we have no continuing city but we look for one to come." Just as Jesus conquered death for us we too shall rise and we too shall see the New Jerusalem the city not made with hands. We also will have to go through persecution for our faith but if we endure till the end knowing only in part shall pass away.

Thanks, O.C.....I have also read some where (today) that it speaks of His ministry being that in New Jerusalem (above) and not earthly Jerusalem....

I am looking forward to reading others replys as well....

[Openly Curious]

hi nanasimmons,

Just wanted to say Jesus ministry was completed in the heavenly city New Jerusalem (above) when he resurrected from the dead and ascended back up to heaven and "sprinkled His own blood" on the mercy seat in the tabernacle in heaven." Though Jesus died and suffered on the cross just outside the city gates of the city of Jerusalem down here which is "Not" a permanent city. Jesus still had to conquer death and the grave in order to take His own blood back to put on the mercy seat in the heavenly New Jerusalem (above) atoning for the sins of mankind "once and for all" doing away with the blood of the bulls and goats under the old covenant.

OC

[nanasimmons]

hi nanasimmons,

Just wanted to say Jesus ministry was completed in the heavenly city New Jerusalem (above) when he resurrected from the dead and ascended back up to heaven and "sprinkled His own blood" on the mercy seat in the tabernacle in heaven." Though Jesus died and suffered on the cross just outside the city gates of the city of Jerusalem down here which is "Not" a permanent city. Jesus still had to conquer death and the grave in order to take His own blood back to put on the mercy seat in the heavenly New Jerusalem (above) atoning for the sins of mankind "once and for all" doing away with the blood of the bulls and goats under the old covenant.

OC

Amen and praise God!!

I had overlooked this verse:Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come. But it lines up to what I believe...

Act 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldeans, and dwelt in Haran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.

Act 7:5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.

Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.

Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard entreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:

Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:

Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

I also find it stange that earthly Jerusalem is likened unto Hagar and Jerusalem from above is likened to Sarah, mother of us all..Gal 4:22-31

If earthly Jerusalem is(as some say) the kingdom of Christ, why was He neither born or offered up in this earthly city??

[Fraught]

Great Posts! Thank you very much.

[Openly Curious]

hi nanasimmons,

Just wanted to say Jesus ministry was completed in the heavenly city New Jerusalem (above) when he resurrected from the dead and ascended back up to heaven and "sprinkled His own blood" on the mercy seat in the tabernacle in heaven." Though Jesus died and suffered on the cross just outside the city gates of the city of Jerusalem down here which is "Not" a permanent city. Jesus still had to conquer death and the grave in order to take His own blood back to put on the mercy seat in the heavenly New Jerusalem (above) atoning for the sins of mankind "once and for all" doing away with the blood of the bulls and goats under the old covenant.

OC

Amen and praise God!!

I had overlooked this verse:Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come. But it lines up to what I believe...

Act 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldeans, and dwelt in Haran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.

Act 7:5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.

Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.

Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard entreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:

Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:

Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

I also find it stange that earthly Jerusalem is likened unto Hagar and Jerusalem from above is likened to Sarah, mother of us all..Gal 4:22-31

If earthly Jerusalem is(as some say) the kingdom of Christ, why was He neither born or offered up in this earthly city??

Hi again,

Isn't it great when we get another piece of the puzzle that fits right in place and makes the picture more visible to us. And all of those scriptures you put into your post was right on and fits perfectly into your subject in this thread.

You asked a question in your last line, "If earthly Jerusalem is (as some say) the kingdom of Christ, why was He neither born or offered up in this earthly city? I'll try to answer the first half of your question first. If you will recall the story of the "birth" of Jesus in the bible. It was Herod who was afraid that the one who was prophesied to come in the old testament was going to be born. Herod when he heard this was afraid that he himself was going to be overthrown as King of Jerusalem. So Herod sent men out to find the Christ child but the wise men were warned that Herod sought to kill the child. So Mary and Joseph left the city of Jerusalem and went to Bethlehem as was foretold in scriptures that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem in a manger. So in order to save Jesus and preserve Him it had to be that Jesus was not born in Jerusalem. I probably bumbled the story up somewhat but I think you can understand.

The second half of your question about, why Jesus wasn't offered up in this earthly city? The first time on earth Jesus was sent by God to be the Saviour of the world. Now as you'll recall the many things recorded in the bible when Jesus was on trial they had asked Him if He was King of the Jews and Jesus did not deny that He was indeed their King. But it was at this time that as I said Jesus was sent into the world in order to offer Himself up for the sins of mankind not to set up His kingom.

Jesus did not have to be crucified within the city walls of Jerusalem to still be who He said He was their King but they rejected Him as their Messiah.

But their is coming a day in the future where Christ will come and set up His kingdom when Christ comes and overthrows the anti-christ and taking rulership over all the nations of the earth this being the little horn in Daniel 7. This was the mistake the Jews made the first time Jesus came to earth they thought if Jesus was the Messiah then why didn't he set up His kingdom on earth and did not see Him as the Messiah. But the next time Jesus comes He will set up His kingdom. And as scripture records in Revelation where John said he saw the heavenly city New Jerusalem coming down from heaven. We the saints will rule and reign with Christ as Jesus will be acknowledged by all people's as King of kings as Christ will rule on His throne in Jerusalem. In other words cutting this short Jesus didn't have to be crucified or be born in Jerusalem to be who He really is both Saviour and King.

I hope that helped instead of confused.

OC