Throwing out the Old Testament

[His son]

The Old Covenant between Abraham God and Abraham's 'seed' (Jesus Christ) has been completely fulfilled and replaced by the New Covenant established by Christ's broken Body and shed Blood.

And no believer in Christ is obligated to the Old Covenant or to the Law of Moses.

This was the unanimous consensus of all the Jewish Apostles that convened in Jerusalem to answer the Gentile question. (Acts 15)

Paul, in Romans, spoke even to Jews who accepted Christ, that the Old Covenant and even the Law was but a 'schoolmaster' until the school student could become a full adult and no longer need such teachers.

Paul's point is, that although the Old Testament and Law of Moses had its place in History, since Christ came, it no longer applies.

Just as you have outgrown your 2nd grade reading primer, and it no longer applies...it does not mean that the 2nd grade primer NEVER applied....It did at one time...when that was the only thing you could understand. And hopefully it means, that the 2nd grade principles learned are still somehow found in your current reading abilities....

In that regard, then, no Christian, Jewish or Gentile, in under the Old Covenant nor obligated to it.

No Christian, Jewish or Gentile, is under the Law of Moses.

That the Law of Moses continues to exist, is a witness against unbelieving jews to the futility of trying to observe it, and a testimony against them that they need a Savior in Jesus, their Messiah.

You my friend are leaning totally to your own understanding. Christ told you that all the law, and prophets hang on the first two, and I would challenge you to show us how one could keep those two love commandments and break any of the old testament laws.

[artsylady]

No eating pork, shrimp, crab legs?

Bring your infections before a priest to examine? Asking your priest to examine mildew in your house or on your clothes?

Making sure the fowl you eat is killed in a clay pot?

Not eating anything that isn't kosher?

If there's a medium in your neighbourhood, putting him/her to death?

Okay. I'm getting really confused here. All those who've answered that all ot law (minus the sacrfices) is still relevant, please answer if you adhere to the above laws. I really am confused. :suspect:

[Blood Stained Soul]

[artsylady]

Bring your infections before a priest to examine? Asking your priest to examine mildew in your house or on your clothes?

Making sure the fowl you eat is killed in a clay pot?

If there's a medium in your neighbourhood, putting him/her to death?

What about the above and the many others that seem irrelevant today. I don't want to keep pressing this issue but let's get down to the nitty gritty here.

For the record, i DON'T have a tattoo and probably never will. I just don't want to judge others for their decisions based on OT law some of those laws are no longer valid.

[Blood Stained Soul]

[Guest yod]

I've pontificated on the Law a few times and it's such a long post that I just don't want to get into it anymore.

But the Torah is eternal. It is the first revelation of God to mankind and the foundation on which the christian 1/3 of the Bible is built.

I believe every word of the Bible has a purpose. It's up to us to figure out how to apply it.

The 5 books of Moses are known as the "Torah" and that word is translated as "The Law" in the New Testament but it is an inaccurate translation. The word torah actually means "instruction". It is God's first revealed will for birthing the nation of Israel including laws, ordinances, rules, penalties, and other such things so the jews called it the law also.

The Law was given for transgression. Paul says it is (not was) for those outside of the law. Where there is no transgression there is no need for law and where there is no law there is no transgression. If you can prove that there is no such thing as sin then I will agree there is no such thing as Law.

In other words....how do we determine what is sin if there is no law? By calling anything "sin" you agree that law is in effect.

Romans 7:12

So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

There has always been law and grace working together. Adam was told not to eat of the Tree in the middle of the garden. That was law.

This law is still in effect, btw. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is STILL not for human consumption but it is an irrelevant law to us ONLY because we aren't in the Garden.

In the same way, God gave law to a people who had been under slavery. They didn't know how to "be" a nation so God laid it out for them. He created a society unlike any before where justice was equal from the least to the greatest.

The Law was given to Israel as a marriage covenant. There are certain aspects that can only apply to the sons of Jacob and the mixed multitude which came out of Eygpt with them. Like Caleb...the son of a Kennizite who became a prince in the tribe of Judah.

Circumcision and Sabbath are signs of covenant with the "chosen people" that are unique to them. We, as gentiles, are free to join them if we wish (like the mixed multitude that left Eygpt with them) but it is not a necessary requirement to recieve Yeshua's atonement made on the cross. Acts 10 makes it clear that what God has made clean (gentiles) is not to be called unclean.

However, this does not make the "law" any less true. There are certainly many aspects that can not be literally performed anymore but those were speaking of something much deeper. The law says that without the shedding of blood your sins are not atoned for...and that is still true.

The Law of Christ is much deeper than the Law of Moses.

As Paul pointed out, the blood of bulls and goats couldn't really clean you or it wouldn't have to be repeated. This was pointing to Yeshua. That law is STILL in effect but He is now the sacrifice. If you don't keep that law you are not saved.

Yeshua didn't take away the Law....He took the penalty.

Example;

You are like someone who doesn't have to worry about traffic tickets because Jesus pays your tickets and fines....but you should still pay attention to traffic signs because they are there for your safety.

Those laws are still holy, righteous, and good.

Paul says, "All things are permissable but not all things edify"

Unclean foods? Eat paint if you want to. Wash it down with a glass of gasoline. You don't have to pay the legal penalty for eating unclean foods but it DOES affect your body to break those rules.

Scavengers were created by God to clean the earth....not for human consumption. In other words...they are not meats created to be eaten and that is why they are mentioned in the law.

oy...this post has already gone longer than I wanted to get into....

Hope you got the point.

[artsylady]

Yes YOD, I got your point. It was very good.

It looks like, according to Bloodstained that many of the laws that seem like they don't apply anymore really do not apply. Maybe we can count tattooing in with that as well. With today's hygene and medical practices it isn't a real problem or concern.

[Guest yod]

Maybe we can count tattooing in with that as well. With today's hygene and medical practices it isn't a real problem or concern.

Tattoos in those days was a type of sorcery. It branded one with the name of an idol. Not the same thing as today in SOME cases.

Did you know that Jesus has a tatoo?

Revelation 19:16

And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

[Blood Stained Soul]

[artsylady]

I do disagree with the idea that tatoos are now okay and JESUS DOES NOT HAVE TATOO...its says thigh...put if i tell you i got slapped on my thigh...and you do not see a handprint...does that make me out to be a liar...no...I had clothing on at the time...I believe HIS name is on his clothing and not skin...that my friend was an assumption of scripture...

You're pretty relentless Bloodbought, I'll give you that. lol.

It would be really weird to slap your thigh and have your name appear, though wouldn't it.

You're suggesting that his name is written on his thigh, which is actually on his clothes?