something to think about

[thesorgo]

A. God is perfect.

B. Anything made by a perfect being must be perfect.

...........A. Making something imperfect would be a flaw, thus making the creator imperfect.

C. Man was made by God.

D. Man is imperfect.

Therefore either A. God did not make man, or B. God is imperfect.

Edited September 15, 2007 by thesorgo

[Trusting Jesus]

Interesting, but wrong. God did create perfection. The world which existed before sin entered was much different than the world we see today. We only see it after Adam sinned. God did not create robots. He gave us the right to choose. If you or I love someone, it isn't really love if we force ourselves on that person or take them captive and force them to at least act as if they love us. No. Love is a choice. I choose to love my husband....he does not force me to love him but loves me and makes it easy for me to love him. This is similar to God's love for His creation. He gives us a choice.

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Nathele

[thesorgo]

Interesting, but wrong. God did create perfection. The world which existed before sin entered was much different than the world we see today. We only see it after Adam sinned. God did not create robots. He gave us the right to choose. If you or I love someone, it isn't really love if we force ourselves on that person or take them captive and force them to at least act as if they love us. No. Love is a choice. I choose to love my husband....he does not force me to love him but loves me and makes it easy for me to love him. This is similar to God's love for His creation. He gives us a choice.

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Nathele

How could adam sin if he was created perfect? Nothing with free will is ever perfect. No mindless slave has ever lusted or stole; they don't have greed or hate. All these are things that only people with free will have and I think you'll agree, are not perfect.

[Trusting Jesus]

Please clarify what you mean by "No mindless slave has ever lusted or stole. They don't have greed or hate." Are you talking about machines or about people?

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Nathele

[thesorgo]

Please clarify what you mean by "No mindless slave has ever lusted or stole. They don't have greed or hate." Are you talking about machines or about people?

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Nathele

If we didn't have free will we would be little more than machines. So both.

[Yahweh is salvation]

Jesus said that only God is perfect. Gods intent wasn't for a man to be perfect.

[Trusting Jesus]

God wants fellowship as well as our worship. It is impossible to fellowship with a machine, and an machine worships nothing.God loves us enough to allow us to choose,

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Nathele

[artsylady]

I don't feel like a mindless robot by any means but I do love to praise and worship my God.

[Leonard]

A. God is perfect.

B. Anything made by a perfect being must be perfect.

...........A. Making something imperfect would be a flaw, thus making the creator imperfect.

C. Man was made by God.

D. Man is imperfect.

Therefore either A. God did not make man, or B. God is imperfect.

You have an unstated a priori here. Your unstated a priori is that innocence is better than righteousness. Evidently God does not agree with your a priori.

Innocence is the inability to choose to sin. Righteousness is having the ability to choose between good and evil, but choosing to do righteously. Man was CREATED righteous, and for some period of time, in his perfection, he retained that righteousness by CHOOSING righteousness. However, the time came when he chose sin instead.

[Guest]

Something To Think About...

It Is Written "... My grace is sufficient for thee:"

"And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me." 2 Corinthians 12:9

It Is Written "... his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus"

"That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:7-9

How could Adam sin if....

Good Question!

How Could He...

Something To Think About...

God Said No

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou attest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 2:16-17

Grandmother And Grandfather Chose To Look

Passing Judgment Upon Their Creator

Disobeying God's Holy Word

How Could They

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Genesis 3:6

Desiring To Sin

Dancing With Death

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Proverbs 8:36

Something To Think About...

Have You Ever Known A Child Of Adam

Who Hears To Confess And Believe

Who Sees Jesus Is The Way

Hears The Gospel Truth

Mocks His Holy Words

And Sins And Sins

How Could We

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

1 John 2:16

Something To Think About...

Sinner Brother

Welcome To The Human Race

Some Stay Proud And Hard And Alone And Rage And Hate God

Some Are Humble And Fall Upon The Grace Of God And Repent And Believe

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 3:22-23

See Jesus And Live

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

Be Blessed Beloved

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Joe