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[ajesuschrist_mathetes]

Appears that "the days of Noah"[Matthew 24:37;Genesis 6:1-] are pretty much here. Over and over The Holy Spirit focuses me on these [as well as other] Scriptures.

Satan/Lucifer/Beelzebub/devil and...:attacking and under attack["...grind him to powder"-->Matthew 21:44;Luke 20:8]. Indescribably vicious. Unbearable/indescribable Evil.

Easy to sign up at www.persecution.com and view online video testimonies of the inhuman attacks on Christians. Worldwide.

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[Leonard]

I get their magazine every month, and I implore EVERYONE: PRAY FOR OUR PERSECUTED BRETHREN, and pray for the conversion of our persecutors.

[damo1]

from damo1

thank you for sharing this as i have john fox voice of the martyrs on e sword and i am also involved with gospal for aisa and i am constanlty being up dated to what is happening to the missionerys in india and threw out east asia

thank you if any one has not got e sword its for free and you can down load this to your computer and you are able to down load 4 diffrent bible translations and concordance and topics like i have from john fox on voice of the martyrs the one i have tells you what steven and the apostles went threw

this is e swords web page www.e sword.net

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[ajesuschrist_mathetes]

What do you all think about the relevence of Revelation 12 and Revelation 13 to current reality? Seems to me that the more and more vicious attacks and brazen lies and blasphemies and departure from basic teachings of Jesus Christ[abortion,"gay" holy marriage, Christ Jesus was not Crucified says the Koran explicitly,Christians and Muslims worship the same God, condoms for "safe"sex"{i.e. "safe "sin"}...]by the so-called "church" fit so well with these Scriptures.

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Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 12:13

[damo1]

from damo1

i can see what you are pointing out hear and i went over revelations 12 13 and what i looked at by reading is this

Revelations 13

8 Every one living on earth will worship it Everyones name who is not written in the Book of life . That book belongs to the lamb who was slaugheterd before the creation of the world

13 16 the second beast forces all people important and unimportant people rich and poor people free people and slaves to be branded on their right hands or their forheads

13 17 it does this so that no one may buy or sell unless he has the brand which is the beasts name or the number of its name

13 18 in this situation wisdom is needed let the person who has insight figure out the number of the beast because it is a humen number the beasts number is 666

to what you are pointing and to what is happening know jesus warns us and tells us these things will happen

we live in a world were things have been happening and its as if people do not care for the damage that is being done look at what you mentioned mainly with the muslems and the things that we see like you mentioned gay holy marriage and christ jesus was not crucified says the koran

these people will not listen and they will all face god when he comes to judge the world as in revelations it points out very clear to what will happen to those who disobey the teaching we hold close to our hearts

those that are ignorant will pay for their way off thinking most look at revelations and think what it says in revelations will not happen and go on living a normal life living as if they do not care and almost mock god in his face by saying i am not bowing down to you i am not subjected to your laws and i can do as i please

the muslems have twisted gods truth to suit there sin full nature simple and straight to the point and that is why muslems say what they say they do not see jesus as a prophet and do not believe that he rose from the grave and do not belive he is the son of god

yet they believe in their prophet and what he wittnesd with his own eyes

the gays will continue living the way they live as they do not care and they enjoy the life style they are so use to no matter what you or my self may have to say to them

and the way i see it is this everyones name who is not written in tbe book of life will pay for there unjust ways of living

look at what the apostles had to endure while living on this earth many of them suffered and look at what is happening in china and in india to our brothers and sisters these men and women stand there ground under heavy persecution many are thrown in prison on false statements made by the hindus and muslems these people do not get a fair hearing or are allowed to speak for them selves they almost put up with the unjust treatment yet they reach out and love there enemies no matter what is said about the god they believe in they pray in tears and they fast for those that are persecuting them and by there faith and courage they win souls into the kingdom

they know they will be acused they know they will suffer for this gospel but they go on doing what they know is right as they do not want to see there people being manipulated to like this and satan is very good at manipulating people

we are going to see more of this no matter what we might be looking at in gods word and jesus makes it very clear do not fool your self and think living this life is going to be so simple

as it comes to when christ comes back as many feel we are living in the end times know things will get wore before christs return so this is not new to me we just have to be strong on what we hold on to in our own hearts and stay true to gods word no matter what is thrown at us

look at it this way this is the way it was pointed out to me by a bible collage dean hear satan knows once our eyes are open to the living word of god he has lost so he wil do what ever he can and by what ever means to make us think hard on what we read he will use everything with in his power to hold us back from moving forward in the freedom gods word speaks about for us christians that is why many are weak and many are falling on the way side as satan is doing his best to come against the body and against us who beleive in god

Jesus even warns us in matthew 10

28 and do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell

this saying would not have been put hear and jesus knows him self what will happen to those who do not obey and turn around and belive in him

so this is the way i see what you have pointed out and its up to us to reach out to those around us and bring jesus to the lost

[None]

When God begins to call a person to Him, satan and his demons begin to attack that person right away. They flood you with so many lies it could make your head spin. Seeds planted in childhood will be used in combination to these lies to urge their views. The biggest lie they tell is the lie about Jesus and who He is. They will bring this up continuously because their main concern is to get you into Hell with them.(Muslim religion grew from someone giving in to the demented views offered by demons.) But if you accept Jesus for who He is He will save you from the doom meant for them. This ticks them off, you can imagine. They will never quit, not until your last breath. They have no power if you truly believe they have no power so long as you have Jesus. Jesus is so much stronger than them. You can find rest through Jesus if you truly love Him, accept His atonement for your sins and live for Him. He keeps us safe this way. I pray you find comfort in His arms.

[ajesuschrist_mathetes]

When God begins to call a person to Him, satan and his demons begin to attack that person right away. They flood you with so many lies it could make your head spin. Seeds planted in childhood will be used in combination to these lies to urge their views. The biggest lie they tell is the lie about Jesus and who He is. They will bring this up continuously because their main concern is to get you into Hell with them.(Muslim religion grew from someone giving in to the demented views offered by demons.) But if you accept Jesus for who He is He will save you from the doom meant for them. This ticks them off, you can imagine. They will never quit, not until your last breath. They have no power if you truly believe they have no power so long as you have Jesus. Jesus is so much stronger than them. You can find rest through Jesus if you truly love Him, accept His atonement for your sins and live for Him. He keeps us safe this way. I pray you find comfort in His arms.

So maybe the fit I see between part of Revelation 12 and Revelation 13 is not a current actual fulfillment of these Scriptures?Not saying it is or isn't. Some say The Tribulation doesn't start till after The Rapture. But...

Regarding Jesus and suffering "They have no power if...". These are some of the Scriptures that I believe may apply:

Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.

...

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

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far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring?

Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

[None]

When God begins to call a person to Him, satan and his demons begin to attack that person right away. They flood you with so many lies it could make your head spin. Seeds planted in childhood will be used in combination to these lies to urge their views. The biggest lie they tell is the lie about Jesus and who He is. They will bring this up continuously because their main concern is to get you into Hell with them.(Muslim religion grew from someone giving in to the demented views offered by demons.) But if you accept Jesus for who He is He will save you from the doom meant for them. This ticks them off, you can imagine. They will never quit, not until your last breath. They have no power if you truly believe they have no power so long as you have Jesus. Jesus is so much stronger than them. You can find rest through Jesus if you truly love Him, accept His atonement for your sins and live for Him. He keeps us safe this way. I pray you find comfort in His arms.

So maybe the fit I see between part of Revelation 12 and Revelation 13 is not a current actual fulfillment of these Scriptures?Not saying it is or isn't. Some say The Tribulation doesn't start till after The Rapture. But...

Regarding Jesus and suffering "They have no power if...". These are some of the Scriptures that I believe may apply:

Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.

...

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

...

far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring?

Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

You've got part of a Psalm(Psalms 22:1) in that last part of your post. I believe that when Jesus said those words on the cross He was refering to that Psalm because that Psalm was refering to Him and what He had just done. Every word out of His mouth was in perfect timing and had perfect meaning. Are you asking if we're to suffer? Mankind has been suffering since the Fall from the Garden of Eden. Anyone who tries to follow God and His ways suffers for it. Temporarily.

If you think about it, Revelation can be applied to a Christian's whole lifespan, so can the Bible, in it's entirety. Life begins with our mother's pain(God's hard work and love) and produces something beautiful and pure, a baby(Adam and Eve and Earth) and then we grow and learn and go through trials and tribulations, we mess up, and eventually God calls us back to Him. This is also a painful process because we have to battle to get to Him. Does God not deliver(Rapture) when a women travails?

[ajesuschrist_mathetes]

When God begins to call a person to Him, satan and his demons begin to attack that person right away. They flood you with so many lies it could make your head spin. Seeds planted in childhood will be used in combination to these lies to urge their views. The biggest lie they tell is the lie about Jesus and who He is. They will bring this up continuously because their main concern is to get you into Hell with them.(Muslim religion grew from someone giving in to the demented views offered by demons.) But if you accept Jesus for who He is He will save you from the doom meant for them. This ticks them off, you can imagine. They will never quit, not until your last breath. They have no power if you truly believe they have no power so long as you have Jesus. Jesus is so much stronger than them. You can find rest through Jesus if you truly love Him, accept His atonement for your sins and live for Him. He keeps us safe this way. I pray you find comfort in His arms.

So maybe the fit I see between part of Revelation 12 and Revelation 13 is not a current actual fulfillment of these Scriptures?Not saying it is or isn't. Some say The Tribulation doesn't start till after The Rapture. But...

Regarding Jesus and suffering "They have no power if...". These are some of the Scriptures that I believe may apply:

Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.

...

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

...

far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring?

Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

You've got part of a Psalm(Psalms 22:1) in that last part of your post. I believe that when Jesus said those words on the cross He was refering to that Psalm because that Psalm was refering to Him and what He had just done. Every word out of His mouth was in perfect timing and had perfect meaning. Are you asking if we're to suffer? Mankind has been suffering since the Fall from the Garden of Eden. Anyone who tries to follow God and His ways suffers for it. Temporarily.

If you think about it, Revelation can be applied to a Christian's whole lifespan, so can the Bible, in it's entirety. Life begins with our mother's pain(God's hard work and love) and produces something beautiful and pure, a baby(Adam and Eve and Earth) and then we grow and learn and go through trials and tribulations, we mess up, and eventually God calls us back to Him. This is also a painful process because we have to battle to get to Him. Does God not deliver(Rapture) when a women travails?

Yes re Psalm 22. Please explain your post re "They have no power if..." in light of the Scriptures I gave re Jesus. He was forsaken. Ron...