Question for evolutionists.

[KeilanS]

This all seems like microevolution to me

use of that term should be avoided

the science is adaptation, speciation, mutation, genetic drift...all of which incoporate duplication of information, and involve some loss/degradation during the process.."new" information is never added

this article that had a huge impact on me and beautifully summarized my thoughts on evolution at the time http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v...ution_train.asp it's a DOWNHILL PROGRESSION...evolution is not "up", it is progressively GETTING RID OF INFORMATION, LITTLE BY LITTLE

So what term should I use exactly? I have always interpreted microevolution as things like a body part that is never used growing weaker (the appendix for example) or the way a bacteria develops immunity.

[KeilanS]

Thanks for the clarifications. What you described in terms of manipulating genes in order to give your body instructions to grow wings. I agree that it's possible although I wouldn't call it evolution. It's more in the realm of genetic engineering. Same goes with the genes that regrow limbs, althought that one would be a lot more complicated than just turning it back on. The foetus does not have a very complicated structure and can regrow easily (I don't know much about this, but I would doubt there would even be a bone structure at that point in life), where as a full grown human has tendons, bones, arteries, skin, immune system components, etc.

Either way, I see what you're getting at, I personally just wouldn't call it evolution (although you stated that you think we have overcome the normal evolution process, so I guess you said that already).

[JCgirl4eternity]

I have a question for an evolutionist, but I'm not sure if it's been asked yet. I haven't read everything here yet.

If we all evolved from nothing, then wouldn't everything be neutral? What I mean is, ever since humans have been on the planet, everything has always been good vs. evil. We always try to do what's "good" (even if it's selfishness.. what's good for us) and we always punish the bad. If we came from animals, then we wouldn't have "good and bad". Everything would be neutral. There would be no right and wrong.

Just think of any popular movie right now. What's the story? Somehow the main character will triumph over evil! If he/she doesn't then the movie stinks!! Just think if Frodo and Sam never made it to the top of the volcano. The Eye spots them, Sauron takes the ring, and middle earth falls into darkness (evil). It would be a stupid movie, right? Good HAS to triumph over evil!! And there's no way a human being (caveman?) could have just come up with that on the fly one day and it continue through out every single human. No way! It's built into us! We were MADE that way because in the end, good WILL triumph over evil.

Well, I've babbled on about that, but that's always been something I've been curious as to how an evolutionist would explain it.

Thanks

[Copper Scroll]

I have a question for an evolutionist, but I'm not sure if it's been asked yet. I haven't read everything here yet.

If we all evolved from nothing, then wouldn't everything be neutral? What I mean is, ever since humans have been on the planet, everything has always been good vs. evil. We always try to do what's "good" (even if it's selfishness.. what's good for us) and we always punish the bad. If we came from animals, then we wouldn't have "good and bad". Everything would be neutral. There would be no right and wrong.

Just think of any popular movie right now. What's the story? Somehow the main character will triumph over evil! If he/she doesn't then the movie stinks!! Just think if Frodo and Sam never made it to the top of the volcano. The Eye spots them, Sauron takes the ring, and middle earth falls into darkness (evil). It would be a stupid movie, right? Good HAS to triumph over evil!! And there's no way a human being (caveman?) could have just come up with that on the fly one day and it continue through out every single human. No way! It's built into us! We were MADE that way because in the end, good WILL triumph over evil.

Well, I've babbled on about that, but that's always been something I've been curious as to how an evolutionist would explain it.

Thanks

Don't you think animals have some good/bad concepts. I used to own a cat:

Science Diet = good

Water Gun = bad

[KeilanS]

Don't you think animals have some good/bad concepts. I used to own a cat:

Science Diet = good

Water Gun = bad

I'm not sure if I'd call that a good/bad concept, that is an animal reacting to positive and negative stimulus. If we zapped a person with a taser everytime they sinned, they would begin to avoid it as well. However, there are things that have very little consequence such as lying, insulting someone, or just being miserable in general. On a small scale those things go unpunished yet we still know they are bad.

[Guest Rapturebound]

I myself will be walking down the streets of gold.

[Guest Rapturebound]

Don't you think animals have some good/bad concepts. I used to own a cat:

Science Diet = good

Water Gun = bad

I'm not sure if I'd call that a good/bad concept, that is an animal reacting to positive and negative stimulus. If we zapped a person with a taser everytime they sinned, they would begin to avoid it as well. However, there are things that have very little consequence such as lying, insulting someone, or just being miserable in general. On a small scale those things go unpunished yet we still know they are bad.

The law of sowing and reaping is always in effect. So things we do little or big, sooner or later will catch up with you.

[Guest Rapturebound]

Never claimed to have my own righteousness. Jesus just let me partake of His. (I have to apologize, I am at work, on break and the pc's here are slow!)

Edited October 18, 2007 by Rapturebound

[Guest Rapturebound]

Here is a thought in reference to evidence of creation. The reason there is not much evidence about creation is because God designed us to walk by faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. Thomas wanted proof, and Jesus said Blessed are those who believe and have not seen. So you won't find much evidence. Everything we need or want to know will be revealed through revelation.

Edited October 18, 2007 by Rapturebound

[Copper Scroll]

Don't you think animals have some good/bad concepts. I used to own a cat:

Science Diet = good

Water Gun = bad

I'm not sure if I'd call that a good/bad concept, that is an animal reacting to positive and negative stimulus. If we zapped a person with a taser everytime they sinned, they would begin to avoid it as well. However, there are things that have very little consequence such as lying, insulting someone, or just being miserable in general. On a small scale those things go unpunished yet we still know they are bad.

The good/bad concept you're talking about is just a more complex version of the good/bad concept animals have. Humans learn to internalize our own tasers and treats at an early age.