THE PRIESTHOOD OF JESUS CHRIST

[mobile21]

Hi Mobile,

I would sure be interested in your explanation of what the priest does, And what is your definition of a "biblical sacrifice"?

Good insight Sandra.

Kevin, please read your Bible (both OT and NT) and then explain where is the biblical support for a Church with NO PRIESTS in it.

Hint: if God instituted it, you must find the verse where He abolishes it.

[JesusisGod2]

Hi Mobile,

I would sure be interested in your explanation of what the priest does, And what is your definition of a "biblical sacrifice"?

Good insight Sandra.

Kevin, please read your Bible (both OT and NT) and then explain where is the biblical support for a Church with NO PRIESTS in it.

Hint: if God instituted it, you must find the verse where He abolishes it.

Hi Mobile,

You have brought this subject up and I would be very interested in hearing your expanation, you do have one dont you?

I never said that there were no priest, I asked you to explain what their job is and what is the "biblical sacrifice" you had accused Sandra of not understanding.

So I ask you, what is the function of a priest within the church? and what is a "biblical sacrifice"?

You are the one who brought this subject up and therefore should be able to defend your statement. Scriptures please!

[mobile21]

I'm talking about the Sacrifice of the Mass of course!.

We don't sacrifice lambs to God any more, we offer the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, the sacrifice that is eternal.

[JesusisGod2]

This sacrifice you speak of has already been accomplished by the Lord at calvary, it is finished it is done.

No need to continually offer it, but to start thanking God and worshipping Him as our redeemer.

"...For Christ our passover also has been sacrificed 1 Cor 5:8

Notice that this is past tense, He has been sacrificed.

"And walk in love, just as Christ also loved you, and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma" Eph 5:2

Again it speaks of it in past tense, He gave Himself, in the old testament they had to offer sacrifices continually, but after Jesus gave Himself up as a living sacrifice to God, it was complete, no need for anymore sacrifice.

Mobile do you believe this?

Let me ask this a different way, do you believe the sacrifice on the cross was sufficient and complete?

I am sure this mass is a very beautiful religous ceremony to you, but it is all for naught and meaningless to God. If anything it is blasphemy.

For it is finished it is done, it is complete.

Can you show me in the scriptures where this "sacrifice" of the mass is mentioned or necessary?

[mobile21]

This sacrifice you speak of has already been accomplished by the Lord at calvary, it is finished it is done.

No need to continually offer it, but to start thanking God and worshipping Him as our redeemer.

"...For Christ our passover also has been sacrificed 1 Cor 5:8

Notice that this is past tense, He has been sacrificed.

"And walk in love, just as Christ also loved you, and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma" Eph 5:2

Again it speaks of it in past tense, He gave Himself, in the old testament they had to offer sacrifices continually, but after Jesus gave Himself up as a living sacrifice to God, it was complete, no need for anymore sacrifice.

Mobile do you believe this?

Let me ask this a different way, do you believe the sacrifice on the cross was sufficient and complete? 

I am sure this mass is a very beautiful religous ceremony to you, but it is all for naught and meaningless to God. If anything it is blasphemy.

For it is finished it is done, it is complete.

Can you show me in the scriptures where this "sacrifice" of the mass is mentioned or necessary?

It's precisely because Jesus' sacrifice was completed that He is able to offer His flesh and blood to us in the altar.

When Jesus institutes the Mass, He knows He will complete the holocaust and that's why He says:"....do this in remembrance of Me" (Lk 22:19). At first, the apostles didn't understand Him because they didn't know what was about to happen, but after it happened they understood it alright:

"For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup." (1Cor 11:23-27)

You said the Sacrifice of the Mass is a blasphemy, yet Saint Paul said very clearly that it should be done until the Lord returns.

Furthermore, it's no coincidence John is the first to identify Jesus as the Lamb of God (Jn 1:29, Jn 1:36), and then he is the one who receives this revelation:

"Then the angel said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!' " And he added, "These are the true words of God." (Rev 19:9)

As you can see, the table is served not because the Lamb was not sacrificed but because He was.

[JesusisGod2]

This sacrifice you speak of has already been accomplished by the Lord at calvary, it is finished it is done.

No need to continually offer it, but to start thanking God and worshipping Him as our redeemer.

"...For Christ our passover also has been sacrificed 1 Cor 5:8

Notice that this is past tense, He has been sacrificed.

"And walk in love, just as Christ also loved you, and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma" Eph 5:2

Again it speaks of it in past tense, He gave Himself, in the old testament they had to offer sacrifices continually, but after Jesus gave Himself up as a living sacrifice to God, it was complete, no need for anymore sacrifice.

Mobile do you believe this?

Let me ask this a different way, do you believe the sacrifice on the cross was sufficient and complete?

[mobile21]

Completes the holocaust? can you explain what you mean by this statement?

Just in case someone is wondering, I'm talking about the holocaust the sacrifice to God and not the historical event known as "the holocaust" of course.

When Jesus said do this in remeberance of Him, they were eating the passover meal which pointed to the day that Israel was saved out of Egypt by the lambs blood on the mantels, and they ate this meal as a remeberance of that day.

Now Jesus being the passover lamb was about to pour out His blood for the salvation of mankind, and the referance is to the new covenant and the sacrifice He was about to offer. So when we share the breaking of bread and drinking of the wine which is affectionatly called the Lords supper, we do so in remembrance of Him and His sacrifice.

The Last Supper & Crucifixion being during the time of Passover has a great deal of significance because just like God sacrificed the firstborns, now Jesus (the firstborn Lk 2:7, Lk 2:22-24) was being sacrificed to save mankind.

The mass and the observance of Passover, or the Lords supper are two differnt things all together. The mass offers up Jesus as a sacrifice for our sins, this is blasphemous, for this sacrifice has already been offered up and is complete. It happened at calvary, not in some religous ceramony.

Wheras the Lords supper proclaims the Lords death as a remebrance until He comes

There is a differance between remberance of what the Lord has done, and to "re-sacrifice" the Lord for our sins.

The Mass was originally called Eucharist and this word comes from the greek word eucaristeo that means "to give thanks" so the Evangelist uses this word, eucaristeo, with a specific purpose in here:

"Jesus then took the loaves, gave thanks, and distributed to those who were seated as much as they wanted. He did the same with the fish." (Jn 6:11)

and here:

"Then some boats from Tiberias landed near the place where the people had eaten the bread after the Lord had given thanks."

Saint John uses that word, eucaristeos, with the explicit intention to relate the miracle of the breads and the revelation that Jesus Christ is the "bread that comes down from heaven" (Jn 6:50), to the sacrifice of the Mass.

This reference to the Mass by Saint John is widely recognized by many influential protestant scholars like George Beasley and Oscar Cullman so, it's clear all of the first christians understood what the sacrifice of the Mass was and all of the first christians knew that the sacrifice that gave us a never-ending source of grace was completed.

Is the Eucharist, the Mass, a blasphemy as you repeat? The Scriptures say no just because Jesus Christ tells us that His Flesh and Blood give us eternal life (Jn 6:53). Since when blasphemies give eternal life?.

The key word being He was sacrificed, and this took place at calvary. Do you believe this Mobile? There is no need to sacrifice the Lord again and again and again, it is finished, it is done, it is complete.

All one must do is believe. This ceramony of mass may be some site to see and observe but is useless in ones salvation. The sacrifice at calvary is what saves you, you just have to believe and have faith.

"Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"

Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent." (Jn 6:28-29)

If we have to believe in Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ tells us that if we have faith in Him, we will do what he says (Jn 14:12) and if He says that we have to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood (Jn 6:53), then you, as a believer, do agree with the Eucharist right?.

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-If we have to believe in Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ tells us that if we have faith in Him, we will do what he says (Jn 14:12) and if He says that we have to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood (Jn 6:53), then you, as a believer, do agree with the Eucharist right?.

-The eating of the flesh & drinking of HIS blood is symbolic & has been explained

-to you at least 48 times that I know of--YOU canNOT drink something that NO

-LONGER EXISTS..HIS blood was expended at the cross----

-Psalm.22.vs.14------

-I AM POURED OUT LIKE WATER,AND ALL MY BONES ARE OUT OF JOINT:MY

-HEART IS LIKE WAX,IT IS MELTED IN THE MIDST OF MY BOWELS....

-LEVIT.17.vs.11-------

-FOR THE LIFE OF THE FLESH IS IN THE BLOOD-----

-NO BLOOD--NO LIFE---Life ceases when A major portion of the blood is lost from

-the body--Therefore IT is an IMPOSSIBILITY to drink "blood"that NO LONGER

-EXISTS--& JESUS HIMSELF TOOK WHAT WAS LEFT OF HIS BLOOD & POURED IT

-ON THE ALTAR OF THE MERCY SEAT IN HEAVEN----That is why the scriptures can

-only be symbolic---& on top of that GOD HIMSELF TOLD THE SONS OF ISRAEL

-THEY COULDNOT EAT--DRINK BLOOD OF ANY ANIMAL LET ALONE HUMAN BLOOD-

-DEUT.12.vs.16-------

-ONLY YE SHALL NOT EAT THE BLOOD YE SHALL POUR IT UPON THE EARTH AS

-WATER.....

-SO mobi as YOU are so FOND of saying:IF GOD INSTITUTED IT{ANY PRACTICE}

-YOU MUST PROVIDE THE SCRIPTURE WHERE GOD REPEALED IT-----

-SO MOBI-----Scripture PLEASE---?????

[mobile21]

-If we have to believe in Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ tells us that if we have faith in Him, we will do what he says (Jn 14:12) and if He says that we have to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood (Jn 6:53), then you, as a believer, do agree with the Eucharist right?.

-The eating of the flesh & drinking of HIS blood is symbolic & has been explained

-to you at least 48 times that I know of--YOU canNOT drink something that NO

-LONGER EXISTS..HIS blood was expended at the cross----

-Psalm.22.vs.14------

-I AM POURED OUT LIKE WATER,AND ALL MY BONES ARE OUT OF JOINT:MY

-HEART IS LIKE WAX,IT IS MELTED IN THE MIDST OF MY BOWELS....

-LEVIT.17.vs.11-------

-FOR THE LIFE OF THE FLESH IS IN THE BLOOD-----

-NO BLOOD--NO LIFE---Life ceases when A major portion of the blood is lost from

-the body--Therefore IT is an IMPOSSIBILITY to drink "blood"that NO LONGER

-EXISTS--& JESUS HIMSELF TOOK WHAT WAS LEFT OF HIS BLOOD & POURED IT

-ON THE ALTAR OF THE MERCY SEAT IN HEAVEN----That is why the scriptures can

-only be symbolic---& on top of that GOD HIMSELF TOLD THE SONS OF ISRAEL

-THEY COULDNOT EAT--DRINK BLOOD OF ANY ANIMAL LET ALONE HUMAN BLOOD-

-DEUT.12.vs.16-------

-ONLY YE SHALL NOT EAT THE BLOOD YE SHALL POUR IT UPON THE EARTH AS

-WATER.....

-SO mobi as YOU are so FOND of saying:IF GOD INSTITUTED IT{ANY PRACTICE}

-YOU MUST PROVIDE THE SCRIPTURE WHERE GOD REPEALED IT-----

-SO MOBI-----Scripture PLEASE---?????

That is the anti-evangelical christian argument.

Jesus SAID "this is", not "this symbolizes".

If the jews were scandalized by Jesus' words it was because they understood it as Jesus Christ literally said it and the Evangelists definitely note that (again, St. John didn't use the word "eucaristos" 2 times in Chapter 6 because of some coincidence).

The final nail in the "symbolic" coffin is that when the jews kept questioning Jesus about such outrageous statements, He draws an analogy between His Flesh and Blood and the manna which was true, physical food, not a symbol, it really came down from heaven.

Of course, you could always say that the jews never crossed the Red Sea, that they just "overcame psychological issues" or that Jesus never resurrected, that He only "will be in the memories of the believers" or whatever.

P.S. notice that most protestants after the Reformation believed Jesus' words in their literal fashion according to the protestant book "Two Hundred Definitions of the Words 'This is My Body" published in Germany in 1580.

[JesusisGod2]

Mobile,

No one is arguing the Lords supper which we partake in as a remeberance of what He has done for us.

But during your mass, you again sacrifice the Christ (or so it represents), this to say that the sacrifice of Christ at calvary was not sufficient for the forgiveness of our sin, this is blasphemy, again I say it is blasphemy, no matter how you try and justify it.

Jesus offered Himself up once and for all, He is in heaven He is not in your mass, (no matter how many times the devil would like to murder the Lord all over again,) He is victorious, He has won, it is complete. Jesus is in heaven seated at the right hand of the Father

Should you decide to continue to participate in the deeds of darkness, this is up to you, but to say this is truth and is an acceptable sacrifice to God is Blasphemy, period. And to teach others to do the same is, well you get the picture, you just refuse to believe the truth.

Ask yourself these questions:

Did Jesus offer Himself up as a living sacrifice for sin?

Was this sacrifice sufficient for the forgiveness of my sin?

Does the bible offer an alternative sacrifice for my sin?

Is Jesus alive?

Is Jesus God?

I am not trying to be harsh here Mobile, but I pray that you will flee this idolitrous practice of the mass, dont walk run from it. For it is God we must answer too and give an account of ourselves and not the church, the church answers to God and not God the church.

Lets look at Hebrews 9:24-28

"For Christ did not enter the holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;

nor was it that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year after year with blood not his own.

Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundations of the world but now once at the consumation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself

And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgement

So Christ also having been offered once to bear the sins of many shall appear a second time for salvation without referance to sin, to those who eagerly await Him."

Isnt that wonderful news, that is the gospel of God, the good news, we are free we are forgiven, the sacrifice has been made and all we need do is repent and turn to Him.

Now lets look at Hebrews 10:10-12

"By this will, we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all

And every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices which can never take away sins

But He having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time sat down at the right hand of God.

Praise God, thank you Jesus!

Hebrews 10:18

"Now where there is forgiveness of these things there is no longer any offering for sin."

Do you believe this Mobile?

It doesnt matter what our preachers preach, whether it be the pope or Paul, or Peter or whoever, if it goes contrary to the holy word of God it is wrong, and one must not participate. God loves us!

There is no longer a need for the offering up of sacrifice for our sin, Jesus has already done this for us. Turn to Jesus Mobile, His arms are open, His voice is calling. Will you answer the call? He waits for your answer!

In Jesus

Kevin