Eschatology

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings All,

I pretty much agree with Salt & Light, although I cannot say with any scriptural support that those who have died since the "Firstfruits" harvest, will also be with Him. It is at the end of this age that the First Resurrection takes place which occurs immediately preceding the wrath of God upon Mystery Babylon.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[salt and light]

Jesus is God 2,

Since you are post trib./pre wrath, here is something you might find interesting. I believe that this "rapture" happens right before Armegheddon {I think I spelled that right},and we will be up in the air with the Lord for about 45 days while the earth is being purged. If you take the 1290 days and subtract it from the 1335 days that are mentioned in Daniel 12:11,12, you have 45 days. We will be here for the tribulation,but get caught up right before Armegheddon,and MAYBE experience the marriage supper and the bema seat judgment,and after the 45 days, we will come back down to rule and reign here on earth. Jude 14 says ,"Behold,the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints" {old and new testament saints, saints that died since those times,and martyred saints of the tribulation} and we will be caught up to be with them and the Lord for that 45 day period,before we all come back down. Perhaps, just perhaps that's how it will be. It is interesting.

[Guest sybil]

Hello everyone,

New here, I wish to pose the question....those who are being tortured in Sudan and other places around the world.....why don't they get to be "raptured"?

sybil

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Sybil,

New here, I wish to pose the question....those who are being tortured in Sudan and other places around the world.....why don't they get to be "raptured"?

I am not sure why you post the question, but perhaps "because they die" and will be "resurrected"? Why didn't the Apostles get raptured? Why haven't all the martyrs since the cross been raptured? It is because the "resurrection of the dead shall occur first", then those who are alive and remain shall be "caught up". "those who are alive and remain" infers a very few - a remnant, which can be found in Rev. 11:13.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest resurectionhope]

HEY SYBLE

JUST BECAUSE YOUR DEAD DON'T MEAN YOU DON'T GO UP IN THE AIR TO MEET CHRIST. THE DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE FIRST.

KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORDS

[salt and light]

Hi Sybil and welcome,

I've often wondered that to. Suffering is part of being a christian. 2 Timothy 3:12 says, "Yea,and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution". Christians in Sudan and other places around the world are suffering for the sake of Jesus. The problem with a lot of christians here in the U.S. , is that they think we shouldn't have to suffer, as if we are better than christians over in those other countries. They haven't been raptured yet, and christians over here won't either until after we have suffered, and christians who haven't passed away before the tribulation will suffer to,just like christians in those other countries.

[Guest LCPGUY]

Hello everyone,

New here, I wish to pose the question....those who are being tortured in Sudan and other places around the world.....why don't they get to be "raptured"?

sybil

Oh Ohhhhhh...

I think I see another strawman here :x:

Bro John

[JesusisGod2]

Jesus is God 2,

Since you are post trib./pre wrath, here is something you might find interesting. I believe that this "rapture" happens right before Armegheddon {I think I spelled that right},and we will be up in the air with the Lord for about 45 days while the earth is being purged. If you take the 1290 days and subtract it from the 1335 days that are mentioned in Daniel 12:11,12, you have 45 days. We will be here for the tribulation,but get caught up right before Armegheddon,and MAYBE experience the marriage supper and the bema seat judgment,and after the 45 days, we will come back down to rule and reign here on earth. Jude 14 says ,"Behold,the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints" {old and new testament saints, saints that died since those times,and martyred saints of the tribulation} and we will be caught up to be with them and the Lord for that 45 day period,before we all come back down. Perhaps, just perhaps that's how it will be. It is interesting.

Hey Salt,

I do find that interesting, and it appears to me anyway that this is when it will happen as far as after the fall of Babylon and the pouring out of Gods wrath at Armeggedon.

Although I am open and do read others insights and very much get fed and edified by all positions on the rapture.

I am not so sure about the 45 day thing, but its interesting and very well could be. Its definately some food for thought.

In Jesus

Kevin

[Guest LCPGUY]

Jesus is God 2,

Since you are post trib./pre wrath, here is something you might find interesting. I believe that this "rapture" happens right before Armegheddon {I think I spelled that right},and we will be up in the air with the Lord for about 45 days while the earth is being purged. If you take the 1290 days and subtract it from the 1335 days that are mentioned in Daniel 12:11,12, you have 45 days. We will be here for the tribulation,but get caught up right before Armegheddon,and MAYBE experience the marriage supper and the bema seat judgment,and after the 45 days, we will come back down to rule and reign here on earth. Jude 14 says ,"Behold,the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints" {old and new testament saints, saints that died since those times,and martyred saints of the tribulation} and we will be caught up to be with them and the Lord for that 45 day period,before we all come back down. Perhaps, just perhaps that's how it will be. It is interesting.

Dear Bro Salt,

Most pre-tribbers see the the 45 day difference as the time between Christ's return and the completion of the Sheep and Goat judgment. So... Blessed is he that waits and is judged in the judgment of the sheep and enters into the millennial kingdom.

Just a different perspective

Bro John

[salt and light]

ICP Guy,

It is an interesting perspective.

Jesus is God 2,