Eschatology

[JesusisGod2]

Hello everyone,

New here, I wish to pose the question....those who are being tortured in Sudan and other places around the world.....why don't they get to be "raptured"?

sybil

Hi Sybil,

Welcome to the Worthy Boards!

We look forward to getting to know you.

I am not sure that I really understand your question here, but let me give it a shot.

When the rapture happens, Everyone one who is alive and in Christ will be included, including those in Sudan and around the world.

Now those who are in Christ and have died before the rapture happens are those who will be resurrected which happens first according to 1 Thess, and we will meet those brothers and sisters in the air to be with Christ forever! What an awesome thought.

I hope this answers your question, if not please feel free to elaborate.

In Jesus

Kevin

[Guest sybil]

Thank you all,

One more question, what's a 'strawman'? I still feel like those who live in places such as Sudan, probably think they are living through the tribulation. We, here in America have oppurtunities and some of us are blessed to have food and shelter. The Gospel has to seem more (for lack of a better term) current, for those living with the realities of torture and war. I suppose my understanding of 'rapture' is wrong, in that, I thought it meant 'rescue' from the horrors. I refer to Matthew Chap. 24. Verse 45 indicates Jesus will return to find us doing what we will.

Thanks again, sybil

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Sybil,

Generally speaking and for the purposes sought here, a Strawman is an argument that is set up with imaginary or fictitious characters or events that are a "shadow" of the real thing. The ideas involved are supposed to correlate to the reality, but are often knocked down and become irrelevant to making a point. Subjectivity is often used which is not a reliable indicator of the reality.

As for your view of the rapture being one of rescue. In the sense that we might be rescued from tribulations in this world, it is false. Jesus makes it plain that as long as we are in this world there will be tribulation - both small and great. Tribulation consists of small persecutions, but may go so far as starvation and death by even hideous means.

However, the rapture does indeed "rescue" those who are alive and remain after the resurrection, from the wrath of God which must soon follow. For we are not appointed to wrath as Christians.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest resurectionhope]

Hey salt and light

Since you are post trib./pre wrath, here is something you might find interesting. I believe that this "rapture" happens right before Armegheddon {I think I spelled that right},and we will be up in the air with the Lord for about 45 days while the earth is being purged. If you take the 1290 days and subtract it from the 1335 days that are mentioned in Daniel 12:11,12, you have 45 days. We will be here for the tribulation,but get caught up right before Armegheddon,and MAYBE experience the marriage supper and the bema seat judgment,and after the 45 days, we will come back down to rule and reign here on earth. Jude 14 says ,"Behold,the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints" {old and new testament saints, saints that died since those times,and martyred saints of the tribulation} and we will be caught up to be with them and the Lord for that 45 day period,before we all come back down. Perhaps, just perhaps that's how it will be. It is interesting.

:t: Have you ever looked at this from this perspective. That the one who is blessed and waits and comes to the 1335 days "Is not you" It's CHRIST. It is CHRIST who is truly blessed and waits and comes to the 1335th day. What do you think?

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS

[Guest sybil]

Thank you Dad Ernie,

My only question now is, why are christians not appointed to wrath? Perhaps innocents, small children, the very old and infirm or people in a profound state of grace and holiness. The rest of us still sin and some of those sins remain unrepented. In the days of Noe, all perished but 8, did they not?

sybil

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Sybil,

My only question now is, why are christians not appointed to wrath? Perhaps innocents, small children, the very old and infirm or people in a profound state of grace and holiness. The rest of us still sin and some of those sins remain unrepented. In the days of Noe, all perished but 8, did they not?

Have you read the stories of God's wrath in the Bible? Here are several examples that you might want to read about:

All of Pharoah's army drowned in the Red Sea when they attempted to chase the Hebrews.

In Korah's rebellion, the earth opened up and swalled all of the alive.

Sodom & Gomorrah.

Noah's flood.

Annanias & Sapphira in Acts 5.

Take your time, look these up in your Bible, and you will see that God's wrath comes upon the unrepentant and the downright evil. THAT is why Christians are not destined to "wrath".

Blessings,

Dad Ernie