Creation vs. Evolution

[salt and light]

My brother in law tried to tell me that the bible is full of contradictions,and I challenged him to get the bible and show me,and he said that he didn't have one,and his wife said that they did,and she got one and handed it to him,and I told him to prove it now,and he absolutely refused. God did promise that He would preserve his word,and He did,and He is perfectly capable of preserving an infallible translation. There is one thing that even some christians forget, and that is all the bible prophecies that have been fulfilled,and they are continuing to be fulfilled, the hand writing is on the wall so to speak. Only a foolish person would say that it's all a coincident. All those coincidences? How foolish can a person get? I thought man was so smart,yet he believes in something so dumb as evolution. Evolution is so dumb,that we don't even need a bible to disprove evolution. What sickens me is that they brainwash children in the public schools with that devilish lie. Anybody ever hear of the monkey trial of 1925? I'm surprised evolution is taught today. We did not come from monkey,we came from God. If an athiest would just stop and think,maybe,just maybe he or she would realize the foolishness of it,but some are willingly ignorant,and God probably gave them over to a reprobate mind. The big lie of evolution sickens me.

[nebula]

Hey!

Please don't misunderstand me.

You know the title to this thread?

"Creation vs. Evolution, Can you defend your Belief?"

Comments like, "Evolution is so stupid!" are not going to get you anywhere in defending your belief. I am attempting to show folks hinderances to getting anywhere in a debate. Evolutionists wil pour down the facts and examples. Creationists will make generalized statements (like, "It's just illogical!"). Now to me, the universe being filled with order by a bunch of random whatever on its own is not logical. But to the man who refuses to believe in God, they somehow got it figured out that it can happen, and because it can happen, that's the way it did happen.

If you really want to get somewhere with an athiest on this, you need to find a way to readjust the arguments.

Do you understand this?

[salt and light]

Nebula,

Yes I understand. I just know that evolution is so foolish,that I forgot myself. It is just kind of hard to believe that a lot of people would believe in such foolishness. I'd like to think that they really knew better,but then again,if they did, they would be in more danger for knowing the truth and rejecting it. I've learned so much from my pastor who was a scientist. About 9 months ago in the lunch room at work,I did prove my point to an athiest. I defended my belief. He just shook his head and said, "I don't know", and walked away.

[Guest LCPGUY]

In defense of S&L I have to say I agree with him.

The Bible makes it perfectly clear how things happened. Many Creationist web-sites have been mentioned for reference.

People like S&L and I do not have to try and figure out scientifically how God did it. We just know He did, and He did it in six days. We'll know the rest of the story when He wants to tell us, in heaven i presume.

Not one of the theories presented by evolutionists hold water. The are absurd. Order doesn't come from randomness. Never did, never will.

In His Love,

John

[His son]

2 Tim 3:16-17

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

2 Pet 1:20

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

2 Sam 14:14

14 For we must needs die, and are as water spilt on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again; neither doth God respect any person: yet doth he devise means, that his banished be not expelled from him.

Job 37:24

24 Men do therefore fear him: he respecteth not any that are wise of heart.

And of course God is going to leave the perfection of His men of God in the hands of all these worldly experts who seem to know more about How God who is no respector of persons will get Those Scriptures into the hands of those who He has determined to perfect. And heaven forbid He would ever be able to tell us how we were created, without the help of these same worldly intellectuals. And He must surly have been out to lunch when He wrote:

Prov 3:5-8

5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

8 It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.

(KJV)

After all without these scientists we would not be able to stay healthy now would we.

And then the one who wrote this probably got his wires all crossed up, because us intellectuals know there is a better way.

Josh 1:7-8

7 Only be thou strong and very courageous, that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayest prosper whithersoever thou goest.

8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

(KJV)

I have a song on my christian music that says: It is time to get right with God, Its time to get real about Jesus.

It's all about relationships not what we think we know about God, get real, get real, and again I say get real. Take the title of this board, and change its ending to apologise then get on your knees and aplogise to God for all this exercise in foolishness.

[nebula]

Yeah, well, if talking like that swayed the athiest-scientists I have interracted with, I'd be "Amen"ing right with you.

Saying, "Just because" doesn't work.

Sorry if - oh, never mind.

[Guest LCPGUY]

It's all about relationships not what we think we know about God, get real, get real, and again I say get real

Dear His -

All about relationships??? That sounds a little too much new ageie for me.

What we think we know about God? Think? My Bible tells me all I need to know.

Before I respond more, please clarify what you said above.

Thanx and in His Love,

John

[His son]

Yeah, well, if talking like that swayed the athiest-scientists I have interracted with, I'd be "Amen"ing right with you.

Saying, "Just because" doesn't work.

Sorry if - oh, never mind.

2 Tim 3:16-17

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

2 Pet 1:20

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

2 Sam 14:14

14 For we must needs die, and are as water spilt on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again; neither doth God respect any person: yet doth he devise means, that his banished be not expelled from him.

Job 37:24

24 Men do therefore fear him: he respecteth not any that are wise of heart.

Reply

I'm not talking that way to atheists I'm talking that way to those who call themselves Christians and support evolution, which is a dactrine entirely, and totally made up by man. If that offends you then I am sorry that you are offended but not sorry that I posted it.

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All about relationships??? That sounds a little too much new ageie for me.

Then you must think The tree of life is new ageie. Jesus said in His prayer in John this is life that we might know Him, God The Father, and The Son. He didn't say know about Him.

The results in the garden, the tower of babel mans determination to know God his way, on his tems, we need to get real.

What we think we know about God? Think? My Bible tells me all I need to know.

I can agree here if your meaning is to increase your relationship with Him, to know Him not about Him. The devils know about Him and tremble, He wants us to know Him and rejoice.

Before I respond more, please clarify what you said above.

Thanx and in His Love,

SandL,

If you can find the book by Josh Mcdowell "Evidence That Demands A Verdict Get " it and give it to the atheist, it could well do the trick for you. If you've heard of him he is a scientist who set out to prove That God and His Word were both products of mens imaginations. He went to the sources and did it thourougly. It will also reafirm for you what you posted which is true.

[Guest LCPGUY]

Dear His -

Sorry, I misunderstood your meaning of relationships. I thought you meant with each other, not with God.

And on knowing God... you are right again. Again, sorry for the mis-read of your post.

Love you brother,

John

[Guest mscoville]

I've been wanting to say something but wasn't sure how to bring it out. I know I'm setting myself up to get pied, but here goes.

Problems with Creationists

1)The majority of Christians who argue against evolution don't really understand the aspects of evolution - as I have come to learn about it. Please hear me out.

The Lord created life with the ability to change and adapt. This is necessary for life and process to work. I give a beach as an example. Beaches are in constant change. Waves and currents take sand from one area and move it to another. Sometimes it's in and out, sometimes its north to south, and such. Beaches are meant to grow and shrink and overall become what they were not previously. Man however does not like the beach to change. We build barriers to keep beaches the same size, we don't want sand to move around, we like to keep them stagnant. Doing this, though, kills the beach. Living organisms need the flow of change.

So, the Earth is meant to change. Organisms on the Earth are meant to change.

Now, if you take a population of an organism and separate them for a long enough period of time, because the two populations have different genetic mixes and encounter different enironmental conditions, over time noticeable changes will be found between the two populations. Given enough time and changes, the two populations can no longer interbreed even when brought back together. We can see this in several bird populations between the East and West coasts. For instance, Eastern and Western Meadowlarks look very similar, and there is a broad band in the Mid-West where both species occupy the same territory. However, the two two species have two different mating calls. Thus, the Eastern females don't respond to the Western males and the Western females don't respond to the Eastern males. This keeps them as separate species. It is believed that it was the last Ice Age, with the glaciers coming down the middle of the continent separating East from West that separated the original meadowlark population, and the two pops "evolved" differently over time.

So you say: But this is microevolution! I have no problem with this.

Hey Nebula,

I have to say this is a great post because you do a good job of pointing out the responses of the various parties. I would respond to this that I do not support micro or macro evolution. I would ask for proof of these noticeable "evolutionary" changes over time. Then bring up the lack of new gene information. Speciation being a mixing of the current genes and copying mistakes ( as AIG calls them) resulting in changes in genetic makeup but never adding new information as is needed to go from goo to you evolution. Or single celled organisms to Aristotle. However the evolutionist response to that is look here, I have this article about nylon eating bacteria and how they accidentally grew what they needed to eat nylon, then I say I have this article about refuting nylon eating bacteria as simply having the "new" information being located on a plasmid, then they say they have this article..... and so on and so on. What this tells me is that very few evolutionists know any more in depth about what they believe than creationists. With the exception of scientists, who an average joe like me can't debate with at all anyway since it's way out of my field. They're all trying to piece together a theory from thousands of little peices. It's like trying to put together a puzzle and the puzzle pieces are all round. Trying so hard to make it all fit and never having a solid diagram to base it on. I would say that at least we have that diagram and we can see if the pieces fit and then give the positive argument as best you can for young earth geology and cosmology. Not to mention going the root of morals and philosophy, pointing out that if there is no God, there can be no right or wrong and the Nazis were just as "good" as mother Theresa since Good does not exist, no one wants to live in that world, so this is a point to get them thinking. What do you think? I'm reading a book called "Starlight and Time" it's a creationist cosmology book so hopefully when I can I'll write something with some substance.

You are right though, saying the Bible says so will get us nowhere. I guess the key to remember is that it's not us doing anything anyway.

~ Martin

PS I take it your a creationist correct? And if so what is your take on the new gene information that evolutionists are always publishing, this never seems to make it into text books so it must be shady or at least refuted by other evolutionists somewhere.