The armies of the Lord

[Isa]

my understanding of your post, isa is that you think the saints will make up the armies of the Lord when he returns to do battle at the Last Day. i just cannot jive with us, God's saints, chopping up people and throwing them into the lake of fire. to me, it doesn't match up but 1 angel with a sickle? to me, a definite match!

I don't think you read the part where it says but we will not do the fighting for it is the word that proceeds out of the mouth of the Lord that destroys Satans army.

Eric

I never said the angels aren't at all an army of the Lord I just said I don't think this army isn't angels although the angels do come with the Lord to gather His saints from the four corners of the earth and the heavens.

[patricia1]

my understanding of your post, isa is that you think the saints will make up the armies of the Lord when he returns to do battle at the Last Day. i just cannot jive with us, God's saints, chopping up people and throwing them into the lake of fire. to me, it doesn't match up but 1 angel with a sickle? to me, a definite match!

I don't think you read the part where it says but we will not do the fighting for it is the word that proceeds out of the mouth of the Lord that destroys Satans army.

Eric

I never said the angels aren't at all an army of the Lord I just said I don't think this army isn't angels although the angels do come with the Lord to gather His saints from the four corners of the earth and the heavens.

I find this extremely interesting... For I recently have had a dream of a huge soldier, very strong prepared in heaven, of the highest rank getting ready for instructions. The greek word in revelation is strateuomai which means to go to war with duties and functions to contend with carnal inclinations metaphorically speaking also of spiritual conflict. in means a soldier. Read revelations 19:19

Is this helpful in your quest? patricia1

[eric]

Sorry Isa, I was only giving my opinon of what the armies represent. I understand that the saints are those who are going to reign with Christ during the millenium, after The Lord has delt with the wicked and defeated the anti-christ. If God can defeat the pharoah's army over night, I reckeon He can do likewise to satan without an army.

Sorry if I was misunderstood.

[Isa]

Sorry Isa, I was only giving my opinon of what the armies represent. I understand that the saints are those who are going to reign with Christ during the millenium, after The Lord has delt with the wicked and defeated the anti-christ. If God can defeat the pharoah's army over night, I reckeon He can do likewise to satan without an army.

Sorry if I was misunderstood.

No I should apologize because I probably misunderstood you. Sorry

[eric]

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[Isa]

I think if we look at Revelation 19 we can see that the armies of the Lord includes His bride. Some would say why would the Lord put His bride in such danger. WE must remember that it is the Lord Himself that does the fighting not the armies. The Lord destroys the wicked with the Word that proceeds out of His mouth when He returns.

We must remember that John is in heaven when He sees the things he sees. Which brings me to my point. The wife of the Lamb is dressed in clean white linen and the Lord's armies are dressed in clean white linen, if it was just the dead saints who were coming with the Lord would it not say the Lord's army (not armies). I believe the armies are the church saints and those saints who have come out of the Great Tribulation.

Revelation 19:8

And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

Revelation 19:14

And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

Why are their clothes clean and white, not because of their righteousness, but because of the righteous acts they had done through the Lord. It is the Lords righteousness that makes us righteous before God. We are cleaned and made white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 19:11-13

Now I saw heaven open, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and is name is called The Word of God.

[exrockstar]

I would like to know who people believe the armies of the Lord are. MHO I believe they are the church saints, the old testament saints and the tribulation saints that come back with our Lord. What do you guys think?

And if this is so, then how can we come back with the Lord, if we have to wait until His second coming?

It just doesn't add up to this Anglo-Saxon person.

If we are caught up at His second coming do we see Him coming on the clouds?

If we see Him coming on the clouds then who is His armies?

Because the word says the clothes that they wear are the righteousness of the saints.

So are these saints that return with Christ or just someone playing dressups?

Angels and Saints:

Matthew 19:28 (New International Version) 28Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones , judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matt 25:31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory.

In revelation when John says "Rev 19:14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.

Angels are messenger and also have volition. Some chose to go against God so they are in the same boat as man. They have the

ability to choose. So we cannot conclude that all angels automatically wear white.

What we can take into consideration is what scripture says concerning these armies dressed in white linen.

Christ is taking care of His Church and taking care of His bride.

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word

theres many passages of Christ doing such an act: Rev 3:5 He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white.

[Isa]

I would like to know who people believe the armies of the Lord are. MHO I believe they are the church saints, the old testament saints and the tribulation saints that come back with our Lord. What do you guys think?

And if this is so, then how can we come back with the Lord, if we have to wait until His second coming?

It just doesn't add up to this Anglo-Saxon person.

If we are caught up at His second coming do we see Him coming on the clouds?

If we see Him coming on the clouds then who is His armies?

Because the word says the clothes that they wear are the righteousness of the saints.

So are these saints that return with Christ or just someone playing dressups?

Angels and Saints:

Matthew 19:28 (New International Version) 28Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones , judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matt 25:31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory.

In revelation when John says "Rev 19:14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.

Angels are messenger and also have volition. Some chose to go against God so they are in the same boat as man. They have the

ability to choose. So we cannot conclude that all angels automatically wear white.

What we can take into consideration is what scripture says concerning these armies dressed in white linen.

Christ is taking care of His Church and taking care of His bride.

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word

theres many passages of Christ doing such an act: Rev 3:5 He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white.

Yes I believe the angels are there aswell for they gather the elect for the Lord.

[Isa]

I don't think the tribulation saints can be part of this army, and here is why:

Revelation 20:4-5 4I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

I guess they could come down with the Lord at this time, but I think the tribulation saints are set apart from the church and the OT saints, simply because of what they have gone through, but that is pure conjecture on my part. And as you said, I don't the OT saints will be part of this army because of what Daniel is told. I think it is simply the church in view here.

I think the tribulation saints return with the Lord and the church saints because they reign together with the Lord during the Millennial period. They have gone through nothing different than what the fore fathers of the church went through with martyrdom.

[Isa]

Revelation 19:14

14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

Revelation 19:13-14

It says it right there that the armies of heaven will be clothed in fine linen, white and clean and following him on white horses. Nowhere did it say that they were once people that NEEDED their clothes cleaned. It just said that they are white and clean...

Maybe they are the ones that were already in Heaven with Him?

The white and clean clothes tends to apply to those saints washed in the blood of the Lamb.

Which ones are you implying were already there with Him?