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Hebrews

11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises,

11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

G-D's promise has the possibility will not be fullfilled in the earthly life?


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You can not just take a line from a verse and comment on it, you have see what context it is in, why did you conveniently cut short verse 13?

13All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth.

Verse 13 is simply telling us how All the people mentioned in previous verses were promised various things, such as with Abraham a great city and nation, however they never got to see these promises come to fruitation, but they simply carried on in faith , knowing that it God would keep his promise even though they may never see it themelseves.

verse 39 should really go hand in hand with verse 40

39These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised.

40God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

this is basically commenting on how genuine faith lasts to the end, but emotional decisions do not. True Faith is to completely beleive in the truth. This also shows how the New Covenant is far better and superior to the old covenant

Here is the whole chapter, read the whole chapter to understand what the two verses are talking about

1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.

2 This is what the ancients were commended for.

3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

4 By faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did. By faith he was commended as a righteous man, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith he still speaks, even though he is dead.

5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death; he could not be found, because God had taken him away. For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.

6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.

8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.

9By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise.

10For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.

11By faith Abraham, even though he was past age

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The promise is Jesus Christ.

They did not see Him but looked forward to His coming, they anticipated it, that was their salvation.


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The promise is Jesus Christ.

They did not see Him but looked forward to His coming, they anticipated it, that was their salvation.

Shalom Bib,

EXACTLY! :thumbsup:

They did not actually SEE Jesus come in the flesh, but they lived in faith, knowing He was coming, they believed G-d's Word about the Messiah and they were saved. Unfortunately, they just weren't around when He came and never got to SEE Jesus, the Messiah, come to Earth.


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I agree. This is talking about Old Testament people who believed. They lived in faith and looked forward to the coming Messiah. He didn't come in their lifetime, but they still had faith and followed God.

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Hebrews

11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises,

11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

G-D's promise has the possibility will not be fullfilled in the earthly life?

The key to understanding these verses is found in verse 40 in Heb 11. "...that they with out us should not be made perfect"."

When Jesus returns, these heroes of faith will come with him and we that are alive at His coming will all enter into the "promise" together which is the redemption of our bodies, full salvation, body, soul, and spirit. Death will be overcome in every way.

The exciting thing for me is that there is a people who will never have to experience physical death. They will be alive at Jesus' return and be change! Wow! That's what I want.

Greg.

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