Will we be here when the AntiChrist rises?

[Isa]

The church (the bride of Christ) will not go through the tribulation God has promised that to the bride of Christ.

You can continue to try an explain away the bible,but it only works on those that do not truly want to know what God's word really means.

Your lies Isa,will not work on those that diligently seek the scriptures for truth.

Hi onwingsaseagles,

I beg to differ my friend and brother in the Lord. You see the truth is the bride can not be in two places at once. She can not be in heaven and on the earth at the same time.

Revelation 19

6 And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying,

[onesiphorus]

hello Near , just read your concerns over the tribulation period as revealed to John dont worry about a thing we the church the body of Christ , those who believe in the Gospel of the dispensation of grace as preached by Paul will not be on earth at this time but will have met Jesus in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord (1 thess 4:17 ) The tribulation or the "Day of JACOBS trouble is the final stage of the prophetic programme where the remnant of Israel who endure to the end will finally receive their salvation and must be viewed as a different programme to the one in which the world is under today . Leviticus 26 , Dan 12 and the books of the Minor prophets sets this out as to how God will deal with Israel during the last days , so once again fear not we will be with the LOrd PRAIS CHRISTS MIGHTY NAME

[onesiphorus]

hello Near , just read your concerns over the tribulation period as revealed to John dont worry about a thing we the church the body of Christ , those who believe in the Gospel of the dispensation of grace as preached by Paul will not be on earth at this time but will have met Jesus in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord (1 thess 4:17 ) The tribulation or the "Day of JACOBS trouble is the final stage of the prophetic programme where the remnant of Israel who endure to the end will finally receive their salvation and must be viewed as a different programme to the one in which the world is under today . Leviticus 26 , Dan 12 and the books of the Minor prophets sets this out as to how God will deal with Israel during the last days , so once again fear not we will be with the LOrd PRAIS CHRISTS MIGHTY NAME

[onesiphorus]

onesiphorus,doesn't look like near is buying it.

The pretrib doctrine is a satanic deception,and those that support it should realize what they are supporting(satans lie)

Near, we will be here for the reign of the Anti-Christ,that is why we need to give our all to God now,so that he can strengthen us in our faith and in patience,waiting to for his return.

Read Revelation 13:10 this show that the saints will indeed be here during the reign of the Anti -Christ,as well as Revelation 14:12.

They both say''here is the faith and patience of the saints''

If we have already been taken to Heaven what need will there be for sustained faith and or patience

Be very careful about those that teach we will not have to endure the Tribulation,this is a very dangerous teaching that causes the true believer to not prepare their mind,heart,and will for the trouble that is to come.

But there is no need to fear,just as the Jews were exempt from the plagues of the Egyptians,so are we exempt from God's wrath on the unbelieving world but this is by divine protection,not by removal.

Thank you!

I agree, I know in the Bible it says somewhere that some of even the most elect of Christians will be lost...and I think that is due to teachers teaching that we will not be hear during Trib. etc.

[Isa]

onesiphorus,doesn't look like near is buying it.

The pretrib doctrine is a satanic deception,and those that support it should realize what they are supporting(satans lie)

Near, we will be here for the reign of the Anti-Christ,that is why we need to give our all to God now,so that he can strengthen us in our faith and in patience,waiting to for his return.

Read Revelation 13:10 this show that the saints will indeed be here during the reign of the Anti -Christ,as well as Revelation 14:12.

They both say''here is the faith and patience of the saints''

If we have already been taken to Heaven what need will there be for sustained faith and or patience

Be very careful about those that teach we will not have to endure the Tribulation,this is a very dangerous teaching that causes the true believer to not prepare their mind,heart,and will for the trouble that is to come.

But there is no need to fear,just as the Jews were exempt from the plagues of the Egyptians,so are we exempt from God's wrath on the unbelieving world but this is by divine protection,not by removal.

Thank you!

I agree, I know in the Bible it says somewhere that some of even the most elect of Christians will be lost...and I think that is due to teachers teaching that we will not be hear during Trib. etc.

Hi onwingsaseagles,

There is nothing here to be bought, the word of God is truth, only God can convict a mans heart of the truth, we are here just to speak the truth and allow the Holy Spirit to do the rest.

Are you not affraid when you say God's word is a lie?

Matthew 10:25

It is enough for a disciple that he be like his teacher, and a servant like his master. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more will they call those of his household!

Matthew 12:26-28

26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.

I would have fear if I called God's word a lie or said the wrong thing about God's word, by saying what is taught is a lie you are saying God's word is a lie.

Revelation 22:18

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;

The above verse is not just talking about Revelation here, it is talking about the whole of the bible. If we add or take away from the bible then the curses that are in it will be added to us.

So we need to tred lightly when we speak of the word of God and make sure what is said is truth. I do not lie and the word of God is not a lie it is the truth and it alone can set a man free.

[exrockstar]

onesiphorus,doesn't look like near is buying it.

The pretrib doctrine is a satanic deception,and those that support it should realize what they are supporting(satans lie)

i vote someone ban eagle until he knows how to talk to people.

if you dont agree then say "i dont agree..." simple. just like that. not complicated.

a kid can do it. im going to pray that you can do it to.

[Isa]

onesiphorus,doesn't look like near is buying it.

The pretrib doctrine is a satanic deception,and those that support it should realize what they are supporting(satans lie)

i vote someone ban eagle until he knows how to talk to people.

if you dont agree then say "i dont agree..." simple. just like that. not complicated.

a kid can do it. im going to pray that you can do it to.

Hi exrockstar,

I agree we need to pray for our brothers as we talk to each other here. For the tongue can kinle a big fire. May we all show God's love and patience with each other.

God Bless

[kitty1]

Isa, I am thankful for your words. I am a born again Christain and have this unquenchable fire, love, need for God in my life. But I am also a sinner, I hate my sin, but never the less I sin.

I have been strugling with the fear that when Christ returns I will be rejected because I don't know enough and because I have not gained victory over all the sin in my life, because I make the wrong choises in different situations.

I want so much to beleive that when I asked Jesus into my life at 22, that he said Yes and not No because I'm going to mess up down the road.

[Massorite]

I was kind of confused on this topic, because when I read Revelation, I am always wondering if we will be here when the AntiChrist comes and the One World Government rises. I think Armeggedon will begin when Gog Magog wages war with Israel (I think, lol).

If he is going to rise at the time of our being here, what will we do? I am really curious, I need to read Revelation though (again), lol, but any other insight is welcome!

Near

Hi Near,

I believe the one who is to come is already in this world, and Satan's work is being done in this world to prepare the way for this evil one.

2 Thessalonians 2:6-8

6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

It is not the church that retrains this one from being revealed, and I do not believe the Holy Spirit is taken away eiher. I believe the Holy Spirit releases the restraining power He had on the one who is to be revealed, the Holy Spirit does not leave for the Lord say's He will send a comforter which will guide us into understanding the truth. The Holy Spirit convicts of sin, so if He has left during the tribulation then none will be saved during that time.

When the ultimate Anti - Christ comes to power we will not be here to see that for God has promised that in His word. The time and rise of this Anti - Christ is mentioned in Daniel 9:27, which is the final week in the 70 week period mentioned. he hour of trial that comes on the whole world in Revelation 3:10, God's word I truth and I believe when He say's He will keep us from this hour He means He will keep us from it.

What I suggest you do as you read Revelation is read all other passages that concern the end times. I find this sight a great resource when studying the word of God. http://www.biblegateway.com/

All you need to do is type in a word and it will bring up all verses with that word, there are other resources you can use with this site but I just use the passage search and keyword search. I hope it comes in handy for you. If you need any other info just PM and I would be happy to help. Plus there are different translations aswell which helps.

God Bless

Why is it that when ever some one uses 2 Thess. 2 they always leave out verses 1-5 where it says that the "day of Christ" will not come unless there is a falling "departure from the faith" IE the Christan faith and the man of sin is revealed to be the son of perdition. To say that verses 6-8 tell us that we won't be here when the antichrist comes is a direct contradiction to what verses 1-5 say and the bible does not contradict its self.

The idea is that this "HE" who restrains in verse 6 is supposed to be the church but there is no scriptural proof of any kind that tells us that the restrainer is the church. So to believe that the restrainer in verse 6 is the church is an assumption with no proof and the bible doesn't lead us to assume anything.

The fact of the matter is that there is already one who fights evil in the spirit realm and he will stand up for the people of God to fight against satan and his angels in Rev. 12:7-9. His name is Michael the Arch Angel and we know he has been fighting against satan in the spirit realm since the book of Daniel. When the dragon/satan and his angels are cast down to the earth and there is no place found for them in heaven, that is when the antichrist will make himself known to the world. That is when he will begin to implement the mark of the beast. That is when he will bring peace to the middle east. That is when he will have a new temple built on the temple mount. That is when he will claim to be the true son of God and that is when he will set out to conquer the hearts and minds of the people of God as well as the rest of the world. Rev 6:2. Which is when the falling away (departure from the faith) will take place. And we will be here to see the whole thing until the antichrist sits in the holy of holies in the new temple and declares himself to be God. That is when the wrath of God comes to earth and we are taken out.

[Isa]

onesiphorus,doesn't look like near is buying it.

The pretrib doctrine is a satanic deception,and those that support it should realize what they are supporting(satans lie)

i vote someone ban eagle until he knows how to talk to people.

if you dont agree then say "i dont agree..." simple. just like that. not complicated.

a kid can do it. im going to pray that you can do it to.

Hi exrockstar,

I agree we need to pray for our brothers as we talk to each other here. For the tongue can kinle a big fire. May we all show God's love and patience with each other.

God Bless

Isa's agenda has nothing to do with christianity,she wants to infect others with false beliefs.

I do not buy her ''were all brothers deal'',I am not a part of her false escapism religion.

I am a true follower of the true Christ,Jesus my Lord.

I will not compromise his truth,nor stand idoly by why others pervert his word.

Hi onwingsaseagles,

This forum my dear brother is not about you, it is about our beloved Lord and Savior.

You know it is funny I only see one attacking what has been said. Even though the others on this board may disagree with what I say, I do not hear them say the things you have said.

God knows the heart of every child of His and I feel one heart is full of pride and arrogance towards the brothers in Christ.

Even Michael dared not curse Satan are you better than Michael the arch angel.

Jude 1:9

Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said,