Bible as a science text book

[Lcash]

I can understand that Genesis was written for a group of people with no real knowledge of science blah, blah

rehashed nonsense

Geneis is written as a historical narrative...David refers to it, Jesus refers to it, and Paul refers to it, it's rock-solid history, just like the Flood of Noah's Day, which you also reject!

Christ, the Creator-God, will uncreate the present physical universe and re-create at the conclusion of this age...God SPOKE, and it STOOD FAST...the supernatural God obliterates human musings

I need not take it literally.

but you will, sooner or later...anything else is idolatry...the same people say hell isn't literal

I feel sorry for people who must be literalists, they miss so much of the real world.

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I'm not missing anything in this life, I look at the same night sky full of stars you do, I believe God, and stand in awe at His power...you stand in awe of a "big bang", but you will be shamed

Why woul Jukia be Shamed? Because they do not agree with you? Wow what power you have.

Lcash

[Guest LadyC]

ok let's just put to rest the whole "will you go to hell" stuff...

do you believe in the depths of your heart that Jesus Christ is the son of God, sent to earth, born to a virgin, never sinned, was crucified so that we might have eternal life with God, and that He rose from the dead three days later, and is still alive today?

for the record, i'm not missing anything. i do think you are though... you're missing the kind of awe and wonder through which i view God's creation.

but i don't believe His concept of "days" were the same 24 hour period that WE think of as days, and scripture does seem to support science in this. days were way, way shorter than 24 hours back then.... and as such, i can see how the notion of the world being millions of years old fits neatly with the earth being 6000 or so years old.

oh, and there is evidence (physical, scientific evidence) for the flood. why don't you start a new thread on that one so this one doesn't get derailed? i have bible class this morning, but i'll be sure to join in the discussion later.

[Guest LadyC]

then that would classify you as a nonbeliever.

[Guest LadyC]

i don't believe His concept of "days" were the same 24 hour period that WE think of as days, and scripture does seem to support science in this. days were way, way shorter than 24 hours back then.... and as such, i can see how the notion of the world being millions of years old fits neatly with the earth being 6000 or so years old.

*shakes head*

where do you come up with the idea that days in the time of Moses were any different than they are now? has the earth's rotation slowed????

Six days you shall labor and do all your work...for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

there was evening, and there was morning repeated SIX TIMES just to be sure you got it, and the Spirit of God never wastes words

I'm embarassed for Christians who feel the need to equivocate with the world on this issue, it's weak, it's idolatrous, it's playing friends with those outside, and it's nauseating to God, who nearly executed Job's friends for speaking lies about His character...God is so much higher than little human thoughts

let GOD be true and every man a liar

"millions of years" is not science, it's pure speculation, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the observable, testable, or repeatable

i will say this AGAIN, only in more detail than i have in previous posts. but first i'm going to rake you over the coals for daring to say i'm equivocating or being idolatrous, and for trying to shove the notion down everyone's throat that the Bible says anything about a 24 hour span from evening to morning when it clearly does not. it says morning, it says evening, it says six days and on the 7th He rested. nowhere does scripture say how long the days are.

watching the science channel or one of those discovery-type stations a couple of weeks ago, (one which, for the record, said absolutely nothing at all about the bible, or about creation vs. big bang or anything of the sort), they were discussing the gravitational pull of the moon on earth. it was stated that the moon has NOT always been the same distance from earth as it is now, and that if no moon existed, the earth's rotation would complete in six hours.

now i am NOT saying that the earth ever rotated in six hours, and neither did they, because the moon DID exist. however the science is there (according to this show it has been known for a long time) that the rotation of the earth has considerably slowed since the beginning of time, because of the earth's relationship to the sun and moon changing as the universe expands.

i'm not quite certain how the universe expands and yet the planets, suns and moons draw closer, but that is what they were saying. my dad always told me that God's time and ours may be totally different... that one day to us may be like a thousand years to Him. this scientific astronomical information suddenly had me thinking "wow, dad was right."

combine that with study of genesis. time as we know it has days neatly divided into 24 hours and some odd seconds. we reach puberty at approximately 12-14 years of age. and yet way back at the beginning of the world, men did not marry and start families until they were well over 100 years old. and the average number of years from birth to marriage and childbearing, and on to death, in general but with a few exceptions, decreased with each generation.

God created as as sexual beings, designed to have an innate desire to procreate. now if they hit puberty at 14 in years as WE know it, how do you think people managed to stay celibate for 150 or more years until marriage? what kind of a cruel God would that have been?

and why was the average lifespan close to a thousand years in the beginning, but has dwindled down to 75 or 80?

what makes perfect sense, and lines up with both scripture AND science, is that the days were shorter than they currently are.

so if you want to claim embarrassment over christians like me, i'd like to express pity FOR and shame OF christians like you, who feel the need to go around accusing people of idolatry where none exists, and for christians like you, who put God and time in some neat little box that fits into a 24 hour time span that doesn't make sense biblically or scientifically. you're right, God is much higher than your little human thoughts, and i doubt He thinks any more highly of your lying tongue accusing me of lying when i have not done any such thing.... if that is indeed what your last comments were implying. and if not, then it might behoove you to clarify exactly what you DID mean by those.

[Guest LadyC]

no, YOU don't have a leg to stand on. i have the bible and science to stand on. they do not contradict each other here.

exodus 20 correlates the number of days of a work week to the number of days of creation. it does NOT, in any way shape or form, correlate the number of HOURS in a current day (or week) to the number of hours in a day at the time of creation.

you're making stuff up that simply isn't there. lean not unto your own understanding, for God's ways aren't ours.

[Leonard]

Since you asked: A "low view" of Scripture means you do NOT believe them to be inerrant in every statement they make. It has NOTHING to do with a literal view of every passage if you will, but those with a high view of Scripture take the approach of taking every word literally unless there are overwhelming BIBLICAL reasons for thinking it is symbolic.

Those with a 'low view' are much more apt to call more passages into question......

[WillingToDie]

Since you asked: A "low view" of Scripture means you do NOT

what exactly constitutes a "low view" and a "high view"?

Does "low view" mean "interpretation that disagrees with mine"? That's what it looks like to me.

[WillingToDie]

another strawman

there is no "interpretation" to Genesis, it's a very simple historical narrative a child could understand...this is not a complex theological issue like those of the epistles

so let's dispense with that argument because it's junk

Do me a favor and look up "strawman". Please don't use the phrase again until you know what it means. And any time you read something, you are giving an interpretation. I would have to disagree with you over the complexity of the matter as well: the whole of Scripture is a rather complex theological text, with subtexts, and various levels of meaning. Every single verse is rich and deserves full exploration.

[WillingToDie]

the word "interpretation" is indeed a strawman when hacks like yourself attempt to apply it to the narrative of Genesis

wise up!

A "hack"? How mature of you. I am getting sick and tired of you personally attacking other Christians. Considering that this forum is available to both believers and non-believers alike, what kind of example do you think you're setting for seekers who would come to this board? At the very least, you're perpetuating the stereotype of Christians as hateful, closed-minded bigots. At worst, you could be driving someone away from Christ, after seeing how Christians conduct themselves.

Either way, not cool, dude.

[WillingToDie]

you're right, that wasn't cool, I edited the post...my apologies...a bit over-zealous at times

no worries