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[Guest mscoville]

Firstly, what promotes actions that are against my values is people having different values, not the fact that there is no moral truth.

I think there's more to it. Don't you think that most people are not privy to the knowledge you have that there is no moral objectivity? Most people probably hold to the idea that true moral rights and wrongs do indeed exist. If I chopped up my daughter with an axe I think most people would say that was wrong, period. I think if you take away the idea that such things are wrong, tell people that indeed there is no moral truth. They will definitely have an easier time doing those things that you and I would call "wrong". In fact in time with that type of understanding soon the world would be in chaos. True at this time when most people think objective truth exists (gays should or shouldn't be able to marry) people with opposing values present the most problem for you, but in the future when the evolutionary mindset has run its course, I think you'll see that your stance on the existence of right and wrong will be the cause of the "values" that are in opposition to your "values". Once again I have to bring up our favorite Nazi Adolf Hitler who presented copies of Neitzsche's writings to Mussolini. Those ideas as you said, free people to commit evils and not feel the slightest shame. I think you need to assess more those things you value, and why you possess those values.

It sucks real hard.

Is this a meta ethical statement? Or a moral judgement on the reality of there being no right or wrong? I'm with you here.

~ Martin

[txpaleo]

Just one big question....I've been gone for a bit..but how did a thread on the discussion of dinos in the Bible lead into a thread on ethics and morals? Lets take the discussion of absolute truth to a new thread guys.

This was originally about Dinos and Man living at the same time. Evidence has shown this, through cave art of the Native Americas to detailed descriptions in the Bible. Thats what this thread is supposed to be about.

So lets move it along.

God Bless

STeve Baird

www.bairdclan.com

[Bread_of_Life]

txpaleo,

I understand that it is frustrating when threads change subject - especially when the subject is *really really* tangential - in other words, it has nothing to do with the original subject of the thread.

However, in this case, I have limited sympathy. Dinosaurs (and many other species) died out suddenly at the K-T (cretaceous-tertiary) boundary, when a giant meteor hit the earth. Although dinosaurs were among the unfortunate victims to perish in the K-T extinction, they were just a small sample of the 85% of species that died out. Several other terrestrial and marine biotic groups were also severely affected or eliminated in the crisis. Among those that perished were the pterosaurs, belemnoids, many species of plants (except amongst the ferns and seed-producing plants), ammonoids, marine reptiles, and rudist bivalves. All creatures over 25Kg died at the K-T boundary - making it the second biggest extinction in the fossil record. Both paleontology and geology attest to this momentus event - which triggered the evolution of larger mammals and eventually man. (for more information, visit: http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/education/events/cowen1b.html)

I'm sorry if you don't like this answer, and I'm even sorrier that you'd rather rely on a few imaginative cave paintings than real hard fossil and geological evidence. But unless you want to actually deal with this evidence, then the original discussion has come to a standstill - in other words, it's over. We have come to an impass, where real life evidence and your dogma conflict - and unless you choose to deal with both the evidence and your dogma, there's very little more left to say.

However, I do agree that morality (and more broadly meta-ethical skepticism) should be dealt is greater detail on a different thread. I would invite mscoville to start just such a thread if she/he is really interested in hearing my views in greater detail - and leave this thread to die its inevitable death.

Edited May 11, 2004 by ScientificAtheist

[AllforJesustheLord]

This is a fun scripture if it is the scripture I am thinking of, there are scriptures in YoB(Job), and I think elsewhere, when I did a study with God's help. Do you know of Big foot, and the lockness monster, suppossedly people have seen them, well the scriptures if you look at them, say the monster that looks like the lockness monster even giving a description, that monster is a female monster, and the other monster is said to be a male monster. Now I believe that YaH has shown me in the future the Leviation, or lockness monster, will come upon land and do much destruction, and after a while then God will fight against that monster in some way, the way He chooses, and defeat the monster.