Devil and Hell

[caughtinside]

Angelique,

Let's go back to your OP:

How is it love to "send someone to hell" because they don't agree with you?

Let me give you an analogy.

Let's say that my doctor tells me that if I keep smoking, I will die in a matter of few years. I don't agree with him, so I keep smoking. In a few years, I die from it. Does that mean by doctor wasn't being loving in warning me about the consequences of smoking?:

In the OP, the question refers to the sender (God), which in the analogy would not be the doctor but the results of smoking.

Also, I can see why the OP boils it down to agreement/disagreement, though I know that not everyone frames the issue in that way.

[heresyhunter]

In the OP, the question refers to the sender (God), which in the analogy would not be the doctor but the results of smoking.

Good point. The fact is, though, that God does not send anyone to Hell. We send ourselves to Hell by refusing to worship Him. This does nto mean that God doesn;t love us. It means that the hellbound don't love God.

[Guest]

Hell is so frightening that some groups end up denying the reality of an eternal hell. The Unitarian-Universalists, the Seventh-Day Adventists, the Jehovah

[Ovedya]

Question: Is Hades hell?

Because in the Bible the word "hell" does not exist.

[Massorite]

In the OP, the question refers to the sender (God), which in the analogy would not be the doctor but the results of smoking.

Good point. The fact is, though, that God does not send anyone to Hell. We send ourselves to Hell by refusing to worship Him. This does nto mean that God doesn;t love us. It means that the hellbound don't love God.

You go heresayhunter!

[Ovedya]

Question: Is Hades hell?

Because in the Bible the word "hell" does not exist.

In the King James, the words "Hades", "Sheol" and "Gehenna" were rendered "Hell" 54 times.

In revelation we see "hades" rendered "hell" four times, beside death. Always "Death and Hell" or "Hell and Death".

But then we see the phrase "Lake of Fire", which is the Second Death, and we see that Death and Hell are cast into the Lake of Fire.

Revelation 20:14

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Incidentally, satan has never been to hell, and actually never goes to hell, but is still "going to and fro in the earth" and at times standing before the Lord "accusing the Brethren". During the thousand years, he will be bound in the "bottomless pit", which is another prison that we do not have much scriptural informaton on, other than to know that it holds some of the worst fallen angels that were created, including the ones which will cause several of the plagues in the Book of Revelation. But in the end, satan too will go to the Lake of Fire.

There is this misconception about hell, particularly among unbelievers and just plain confused believers. The devil "satan" or "Lucifer" has never been to hell and does not control hell. JESUS has the Keys of Death and Hell.

Rev. 1:18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

the Devil is merely a convicted Murderer awaiting sentencing and pointing the finger at everyone else. That's all he is friends, and that's all he ever was since his first thoughts of rebellion entered into his mind.

Essentially "Hell" is a place of temporary torment while they await the Great White Throne Judgement and the "Second Death".

I'll take that as a "yes."

By your own citation of Revelation 20:14, "hell" (or more correctly, Hades) will be cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death. Therefore, I submit to you that it is the Lake of fire, not hell in which eternal torment for the wicked takes place. And that "second death" indicates final annihilation, not eternal torment.

[Ovedya]

The particular issue I have is that there seems to be no direct Biblical evidence which states that those who do not receive the Lord Jesus in this age will suffer eternal torment in the lake of fire. the term "second death" is only defined in Revelation 20:14. The term is in contrast to verse 10 which says that the devil, beast and false prophet will be tormented forever. Death is an impersonal force, not a thing. It is the result of sin (Rom. 5:12; 6:23). In terms of the believers in this age, death is only temporary. Hades, although a real place, is also impersonal, and it is temporary. Impersonal things have no reason for eternal torment or punishment, and therefore it is logical that the lake of fire would be the complete end of those things, hence it is referred to as "the second death."

Now, in terms of those who receive the mark of the beast, their part in the lake of fire most certainly would be eternal torment. But those persons are a particular group who emerge only in during the tribulation. I can find no direct connection between the unbelievers in this age and those who receive the mark of the beast during the tribulation period.

[Bold Believer]

Question: Is Hades hell?

Because in the Bible the word "hell" does not exist.

Hell is Hades, the abode of the unrighteous dead's spirits. Gehenna is the final prison for them, also called the lake of fire. They do not go there until the Last Day/Second Coming.

[Massorite]

Question: Is Hades hell?

Because in the Bible the word "hell" does not exist.

Hell is Hades, the abode of the unrighteous dead's spirits. Gehenna is the final prison for them, also called the lake of fire. They do not go there until the Last Day/Second Coming.

Actually the word Hades speaks of "the Place of the dead" and in the Greek there is nothing at all about whether or not they are righteous or not. In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus they are both in the lower reaches of the earth and the rich man can see Lazarus resting in the Bosom of Abraham from where he is. There is three different sections of the lower reaches of the earth. They are Hades, Gehenna, and Tartarus. All of which exist and serve a purpose. Gehenna is a place of burning but it is not the lake of fire because it is in the lower reaches of the earth.

I don't know what bible you are studying from but my bible has the word hell translated from both the Hebrew and Greek equivalent words 53 times. All of the words in my bible are translated from the original Hebrew and the Greek words. Actually there is not one single place written anywhere in the bible where you will find the words "When you die you will go to heaven". Why because we do not go to heaven when we die. We do just as Jesus did. We die, we go to hades where either rest in the bosom of Abraham along side of Lazarus or go to the place of burning (Gehenna) and burn beside the rich man who by the way still has eyeballs and a tongue and can feel all of the pain of burning just like as if he still has a body. We will stay there until just like Jesus we will be resurrected so we can go to the wedding supper and stand before our God in His house.

Tartarus is not spoken of in the English version of the bible but it is in the Greek version. But is used only once in 2 Peter 2:4 and is the place where the Rephaim ( the 200 fallen angels spoken of in the book of Enoch) are kept in prison/chains and are reserved unto judgment. These spirits are not the same fallen angels as those who fell with satan but are a different group.

The word "Gehenna" comes from the time when the Jews sacrificed their children to the god Moloch in the valley of Hinnom by roasting them to death. The valley of the sons of Hinnom is also known as the Gideon Valley and has nothing to do with the lake of fire. It is also the same place where all of Jerusalem took their trash to be burned in a perpetual burning pile of trash during the days of Jesus.

[Massorite]

Hell is so frightening that some groups end up denying the reality of an eternal hell. The Unitarian-Universalists, the Seventh-Day Adventists, the Jehovah