Devil and Hell

[Massorite]

Now, in terms of those who receive the mark of the beast, their part in the lake of fire most certainly would be eternal torment. But those persons are a particular group who emerge only in during the tribulation. I can find no direct connection between the unbelievers in this age and those who receive the mark of the beast during the tribulation period.

There is a connection. in chapter 20.

11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Anybody who was in Hell was cast in the lake of fire.

And anybody else who was anywhere else, regardless of whether they were an angel or a human or whatever they are, if they are not found in the book of life, they are also cast into the lake of fire.

Other passages that speak of everlasting torment to the wicked dead.

2 Thess. 1:7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Daniel 12:2

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

shame and contempt can only be suffered by someone who actually exists, hence they do not "blink out of existence" or any such thing, but literally suffer for ever and ever.

Matthew 25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Indicates that wicked dead humans go to the same place of eternal suffering as the fallen angels.

Matthew 25:46

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Again, they are being punished for ever, not winking out of existence

Matthew 18:8

Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

You've got your ducks in a row Judge. If the bible says that there will be eternal fire and torment. The there will be.

[arrowfromgod]

Devil and Hell

To avoid confusion, why don't we pick this up in your new thread? That way, things won't get confused as to who they are talking with, ok?

t.

PS- I'm glad you decided to come back and be with us. Personally, I don't think it is by accident.

This thread was closed in the Seekers Lounge to avoid confusion as to who people are talking with but I still have some questions.

To reference the beginning on the convo read: http://www.worthyboards.com/index.php?showtopic=72667

My counselor has been talking with me about God and how I still have a hard time with the whole "God is Love" concept. She says that I see God how I saw my father. With that being said, here are the questions that have not been cleared up concerning the Devil and hell:

How is it love to "send someone to hell" because they don't agree with you?

I don't understand original sin???

I need more info on this one as it's still fuzzy

Someone wrote this:

Those who die before reaching the

[PreciousRubi]

The Hebrew word rendered "HELL" is "SHEOL" and the Greek word is "HADES".

The meaning of these words is "GRAVE" or "PIT".

The original meaning of the English word Hell meant 'to cover', which served as a much more accurate translation from the Greek and Hebrew.

[Massorite]

Devil and Hell

To avoid confusion, why don't we pick this up in your new thread? That way, things won't get confused as to who they are talking with, ok?

t.

PS- I'm glad you decided to come back and be with us. Personally, I don't think it is by accident.

This thread was closed in the Seekers Lounge to avoid confusion as to who people are talking with but I still have some questions.

To reference the beginning on the convo read: http://www.worthyboards.com/index.php?showtopic=72667

My counselor has been talking with me about God and how I still have a hard time with the whole "God is Love" concept. She says that I see God how I saw my father. With that being said, here are the questions that have not been cleared up concerning the Devil and hell:

How is it love to "send someone to hell" because they don't agree with you?

I don't understand original sin???

I need more info on this one as it's still fuzzy

Someone wrote this:

Those who die before reaching the

[Bold Believer]

Question: Is Hades hell?

Because in the Bible the word "hell" does not exist.

Hell is Hades, the abode of the unrighteous dead's spirits. Gehenna is the final prison for them, also called the lake of fire. They do not go there until the Last Day/Second Coming.

Actually the word Hades speaks of "the Place of the dead" and in the Greek there is nothing at all about whether or not they are righteous or not. In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus they are both in the lower reaches of the earth and the rich man can see Lazarus resting in the Bosom of Abraham from where he is. There is three different sections of the lower reaches of the earth. They are Hades, Gehenna, and Tartarus. All of which exist and serve a purpose. Gehenna is a place of burning but it is not the lake of fire because it is in the lower reaches of the earth.

I don't know what bible you are studying from but my bible has the word hell translated from both the Hebrew and Greek equivalent words 53 times. All of the words in my bible are translated from the original Hebrew and the Greek words. Actually there is not one single place written anywhere in the bible where you will find the words "When you die you will go to heaven". Why because we do not go to heaven when we die. We do just as Jesus did. We die, we go to hades where either rest in the bosom of Abraham along side of Lazarus or go to the place of burning (Gehenna) and burn beside the rich man who by the way still has eyeballs and a tongue and can feel all of the pain of burning just like as if he still has a body. We will stay there until just like Jesus we will be resurrected so we can go to the wedding supper and stand before our God in His house.

Tartarus is not spoken of in the English version of the bible but it is in the Greek version. But is used only once in 2 Peter 2:4 and is the place where the Rephaim ( the 200 fallen angels spoken of in the book of Enoch) are kept in prison/chains and are reserved unto judgment. These spirits are not the same fallen angels as those who fell with satan but are a different group.

The word "Gehenna" comes from the time when the Jews sacrificed their children to the god Moloch in the valley of Hinnom by roasting them to death. The valley of the sons of Hinnom is also known as the Gideon Valley and has nothing to do with the lake of fire. It is also the same place where all of Jerusalem took their trash to be burned in a perpetual burning pile of trash during the days of Jesus.

Hades is the abode of the unrighteous dead NOW. Originally, before Christ, you are correct Massorite. Christ took the righteous out of the place referred to as Abraham's bosom (where Lazarus was) with him to Paradise (Ephesians 4). Paradise speaks of Eden, the Garden of God.

Tartarus is used in some versions of the English Bible. The Book of Enoch has no standing however as there is no complete manuscript, so using it to prove Scripture is like using gasoline to put out a fire.

Paul said that when a Believer dies, absent from the from the body, present with the LORD. Where does Scripture tell us that Jesus is? At the right hand of the Father.

Jesus likened Gehenna the trash dump to the eternal state of unbelievers in the Lake of Fire (Lumne Pur). Gehenna is a euphemism for the Lake of Fire.