Bible

[~~ angelique ~~]

Imagine for a moment that you believe everything the Bible says and teaches. You accept it 110%. What have you learned? Have you allowed time to meditate on what you've been taught, a bit like cattle chewing the cud. Thought it through. Well by your question about the Bible you obviously want to be sure that what you read and learn is for your benefit. How many people do you know who don't know even the basics of their faith? How can they believe in something they don't understand even the first things? It boggles the mind. And yet they exist. You may of heard of the Boreans on Paul's missionary tours. They were Jews whom Paul was persuading to become Christians. what was their reaction? Look at Acts 17:10-12 for the answer.

Here is a short worded answer: Question, demand proof, research, read your Bible before accepting anything. If you find something that you just can't see, put it to one side and move on to something else. Once the truth of God's Word sinks deeply in, nothing and no-one can remove it.

I laughed out loud when I read this,

" How many people do you know who don't know even the basics of their faith? How can they believe in something they don't understand even the first things?"

This is so true in many paths not just Christianity. Visions of fluffybunnies are dancing in my head now! So, in like fashion, it is not wrong to question and not take things at face value but demand proof?????

PS: I am no fluffybunny and don't ever want to be one. lol

[jehovah Nissi]

it is not wrong to question and not take things at face value but demand proof?????

yes...Woden had a good point there. If you hear something and it dosn't line up with God's word...then don't believe it...in a way, yes...demand proof, which is the Word of God. Doctrine has to be backed up with the word of God. The Doctrine of Christ (2 John 9) is the only doctrin that Christians should be interested in. Every other doctrine has to be questioned. If it dosn't line up with God's word...leave it alone.

Walking in Victory,

J

[Grungekid]

I have a few questions of my own:

1) There must be other spirits out there, because God let one trick Saul when he went to see the witch of En Dor, right?

2) Why did God wrestle with Abraham (I think, but my memory is shot at the moment), and then somehow lose?

[~~ angelique ~~]

I have a few questions of my own:

1) There must be other spirits out there, because God let one trick Saul when he went to see the witch of En Dor, right?

2) Why did God wrestle with Abraham (I think, but my memory is shot at the moment), and then somehow lose?

Actually, I think it was really Samual who came to Saul through the witch. Why is it bad if God allowed his prophet to be brought by the medium?

And, God wrestled with Abraham?

[Trusting Jesus]

It was Jacob who wrestled with Jesus. Jacob had been, well, and interesting character. He hadn't been a shining example of a Godly man. But the wrestling match taught him a lesson. He needed God. Yes, at any time our Lord could have won, but He allowed Jacob to fight until he realized that he needed God. It was then -- when Jacob gave into God -- that God was able to use him and gave him a new name - Israel. Jacob means "heal catcher" or "surplanter". Israel means "God prevails".

As for Saul, he really did see Samuel. It's a very interesting story with many lessons in it, but it really was Samuel.

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Nathele

[woden]

I have a few questions of my own:

1) There must be other spirits out there, because God let one trick Saul when he went to see the witch of En Dor, right?

2) Why did God wrestle with Abraham (I think, but my memory is shot at the moment), and then somehow lose?

Point number one: There are many other spirits out and about. The dragon in Revelation pulls in his tail "a third of the stars" which is no fixed number, but is a lot.

Point number two: It was an angel and Jacob. Jacob demanded to be blessed but the angel wasn't having any of it until the morning when it was time for him to return to heaven. He touched Jacob's hip and put it out, just showing how strong an angel can really be, and then told him his name change to Israel and God would bless him and his descendents.

[Rick-Parker]

It was an angel and Jacob.

Not to change the subject, but this needs clarification.

Genesis 32:24-30 "Jacob was left alone, and wrestled with a man there until the breaking of the day.

When he saw that he didn`t prevail against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh, and the hollow of Jacob`s thigh was strained, as he wrestled.

The man said, "Let me go, for the day breaks." Jacob said, "I won`t let you go, unless you bless me."

He said to him, "What is your name?" He said, "Jacob."

He said, "Your name will no longer be called `Jacob,` but, `Israel,' for you have fought with God and with men, and have prevailed."

Jacob asked him, "Please tell me your name." He said, "Why is it that you ask what my name is?" He blessed him there.

Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for, he said, "I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."" (WEB) Since no one may see God face to face & live (Exodus 33:20) it must have been Jesus. Unless the Bible contains errors. Anyway......back to the subject at hand.

Rick

[~~ angelique ~~]

it is not wrong to question and not take things at face value but demand proof?????

yes...Woden had a good point there. If you hear something and it dosn't line up with God's word...then don't believe it...in a way, yes...demand proof, which is the Word of God. Doctrine has to be backed up with the word of God. The Doctrine of Christ (2 John 9) is the only doctrin that Christians should be interested in. Every other doctrine has to be questioned. If it dosn't line up with God's word...leave it alone.

Walking in Victory,

J

Just a question. How can you tell whether or not something is God's word unless you question it? Someone could easily get up on a pulpit wearing a priest's frock and give out a speech that sounded similar to God's word, but was actually quite different.

Now, obviously as an atheist I don't believe that God has an intention any more than I believe that the Jade Emperor of Heaven has an intention, but if you believed that he did exist and thus did have some kind of desires about the world, then surely the only way to ensure that you were doing his bidding would be to question absolutely every source so you could be sure it was God's word, right?

Hmm.. You bring up a good point. Is the only way to be sure is to question? And, if so, how much should one reasonably do so?

[OneLight]

it is not wrong to question and not take things at face value but demand proof?????

yes...Woden had a good point there. If you hear something and it dosn't line up with God's word...then don't believe it...in a way, yes...demand proof, which is the Word of God. Doctrine has to be backed up with the word of God. The Doctrine of Christ (2 John 9) is the only doctrin that Christians should be interested in. Every other doctrine has to be questioned. If it dosn't line up with God's word...leave it alone.

Walking in Victory,

J

Just a question. How can you tell whether or not something is God's word unless you question it? Someone could easily get up on a pulpit wearing a priest's frock and give out a speech that sounded similar to God's word, but was actually quite different.

Now, obviously as an atheist I don't believe that God has an intention any more than I believe that the Jade Emperor of Heaven has an intention, but if you believed that he did exist and thus did have some kind of desires about the world, then surely the only way to ensure that you were doing his bidding would be to question absolutely every source so you could be sure it was God's word, right?

Hmm.. You bring up a good point. Is the only way to be sure is to question? And, if so, how much should one reasonably do so?

How would you propose to prove that the bible was or was not Gods word? Can we put God on the stand? This is the basis of being a Christian, living by faith.

[Guest JDeere98]

I have been wondering lately if I can believe the bible in it's entirety. I believe yet there are several parts of the bible that I don't agree with. This is a bit confusing for me.

Is everything in the bible?

The question of the Bibles truth is easy because the Bible is God's Word. Understanding it is something alot of people have trouble with. You must put yourself in the time when the Bible was written. The Bible uses words that we dont understand cause we arent from that era. But the the meaning is the same.