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Removing Saddam's blood-soaked and evil regime was completely just. It's just the planners that were grossly incompetent, not the idea itself that was at fault.

though I completely agree with you here, I think it was part of a much larger strategy with containing (or war with) Iran and possibly Syria as the goal.

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Removing Saddam's blood-soaked and evil regime was completely just. It's just the planners that were grossly incompetent, not the idea itself that was at fault.

There's other such regimes that exist. That wasn't suppose to be the point of the war according to our President. He lied to us and invaded and completely ripped a country apart on false pretenses. He demanded the impossible from them.


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There's much in the OT that's relevant today but God having a chosen people just isn't one of them.

I know this is off topic but....what do you mean by this statement. God does not have chosen people?

In light of this conversation it wasn't off topic.

Now it's being said that God uses a Godly ruler to bring down an ungodly one and references made to the OT to justify this war.

Find us first a Godly ruler - can't be done; but that may be perhaps off topic and taking the conversation away from the topic of war - plain and simple.

America cannot justifiably claim that God told them to go to war with Iraq - which I think if memory serves me right that Bush did indeed make that statement in the beginning.

Bring it back on topic - to where this war was being justified by going into the OT and using the wars God's people Israel fought under His direct direction against His enemies. That's when I say that America is not God's chosen people anymore than any other country is.

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Willow, you said

There's much in the OT that's relevant today but God having a chosen people just isn't one of them.

But the Bible says in Deuteronomy 7:6-8 "For thou art a holy people unto Jehovah thy God: Jehovah thy God hath chosen thee to be a people for his own possession, above all peoples that are upon the face of the earth.

Jehovah did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all peoples:

but because Jehovah loveth you, and because he would keep the oath which he sware unto your fathers, hath Jehovah brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt." (ASV), and also in chapter 14:1,2 "Ye are the children of Jehovah your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.

For thou art a holy people unto Jehovah thy God, and Jehovah hath chosen thee to be a people for his own possession, above all peoples that are upon the face of the earth." (ASV).

There are many other scriptures. Anyway......back on topic.

Edit: Oh, and every word in the Bible is relevant.

:emot-hug::emot-hug:

What is being said here: Surely no one believes the above Scripture from

Deuteronomy is referring to present day America!

Why have you posted this? What is your purpose of doing so?

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There's other such regimes that exist. That wasn't suppose to be the point of the war according to our President. He lied to us and invaded and completely ripped a country apart on false pretenses. He demanded the impossible from them.

Certainly there are, and the hypocrisy of using this as justification for the invasion sticks in my craw as well. However, it can't be denied that removing Saddam from power and bringing him to justice for his crimes was a good thing. It's sad that the American-devised plan to steal the oil fields and contain Iran/Syria has resulted in so much bloodshed, and sad that Her Majesty's Government was too spineless to refuse to get involved, but nothing's served by lamenting these facts.

Personally I'd rather have seen the British Army, alone, drag Saddam out of Baghdad and hand him over to The Hague for trials on charges of crimes against humanity, and then systematically clean out every corrupt, bloody regime in the Commonwealth one by one, but that's not terribly likely to happen after the foul-up Iraq has become. Besides, people would cry about "British imperialism" if we did.

Sorry, I digress...


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Willow, you said

What is being said here: Surely no one believes the above Scripture from

Deuteronomy is referring to present day America!

Why have you posted this? What is your purpose of doing so?

That is not your statement that I was addressing. I was addressing this statment:

There's much in the OT that's relevant today but God having a chosen people just isn't one of them.

Notice your statement did not qualify who was God's chosen people except to the extent that it was nobody. I don't believe that the US is God's chosen people in this day and age. His chosen people has been and always will be the Jews. God has chosen to bless America for His purpose; undoubtedly to stand with the Hebrews during the last days (IMHO). Hopefully you can now see my "purpose" for posting what I did.


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The examples iven are about situations in the old testament. God ordered those things.

At what point did God order the invasion of Iraq?


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anyway you look at it " war is hell"

let's not start a war on the boards. :emot-hug::emot-hug:

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The examples iven are about situations in the old testament. God ordered those things.

At what point did God order the invasion of Iraq?

When Saddam starting sending missiles into Israel and paying suicide bombers families 25,000 to blow themselves up in public market places of Israel.

any more questions?


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If God ordered the US to invade Iraq when Saddam started lobbing missiles at Israel why didn't you lot march into Baghdad and drag him out in '91?

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